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Old 08-03-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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That's right. Because those people are already people. You know, fully functioning, tax paying, contribution to society people. Not some bits of tissue. You bet I care more about them than that clump. And you should too.
Lots of elderly and disabled are not fully functioning nor tax paying people who contribute to society either. Is this what you base your right to life on?

 
Old 08-03-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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I think the bottom line is, bump off those who are perceived to be an inconvenience and a financial burden. At least we have someone willing to tell the truth.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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Lots of elderly and disabled are not fully functioning nor tax paying people who contribute to society either. Is this what you base your right to life on?
I beg to differ. Tell your grandparents that they don't contribute to society. I'd love to hear their response. It amuses me that you're trying to relate an actual adult who pays taxes, contributes to society with a clump of tissue. Too funny.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:23 PM
 
Location: california
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On the other side of the coin liberals fight against the death sentence for criminals that genuinely deserve it.
Yet they support gun control that only supports the non law abiding criminal greater power over his prey.
But the innocent must be killed because it is inconvenient.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Anti-abortionists don't really believe it is murder - or it is a lesser form of murder. If they really thought it was murder they would focus on prosecuting (for murder) women getting abortions and not just focus on the clinics.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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Allow me to chime in here, because the amount of disinformation being bandied about is stunning. Abortion resulting in a completely intact fetus at the stage of potential viability (~20 weeks) is the result of induction, which is performed in a hospital. Induction abortion is often started in a clinic, where laminaria tents are placed to dilate and thin the cervix, but labor and delivery takes place under the supervision of an obstetrician in a hospital setting. By law, fetal death is now confirmed via ultrasound before induction to prevent live birth. D&E abortions can and are performed in a clinic, but the fetal body is dismembered in utero. The discussions now being reported in the media refer to the D&E procedure and the steps taken to preserve specific organs or groups of organs for further medical use prior to viability. It's gruesome, no doubt, but it does not support the charge of infanticide in previous posts.

I dont really see much of a difference.

If you have to kill it, then it must be alive.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If it's on the internet, then it must be true.

 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Hey guys! Everything is fine. Apparently only 10% are murders.
Less than 1/2 of Americans believe that abortion is murder, and that number is declining.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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The difference is the timing of the termination of life. Prior to birth, it is abortion. After birth, it is infanticide. The charge of infanticide being tossed around in this thread is unfounded. Because so many people are unfamiliar with the actual procedures used to terminate pregnancy, rumors like viable babies being smothered with pillows take hold. It matters not whether you are pro-life or pro-choice; ignorance confuses those on both sides.
 
Old 08-03-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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If you are waiting for people with good conscience to endorse and support the left's currently ongoing institutionalized mass murder scheme, that is not ever going to happen.

That would have been like saying "given that there are going to be medical experiments on the Jews (during WWII), you guys should at least go along with the disposal arrangements after we kill them." Seriously, what could be more sick than what Planned Parenthood is doing here? And the Democrats openly and proudly defend these practices.

This really is a real life horror show that is currently happening in this country right now and everyone knows about it.
"Disposal arrangements" after LIVE medical experiments is a false equivalence. And so is the comparison of fetuses to actual living humans who one dictator ordered be killed.

You don't have to endorse Natzis to feel that their bodies could have at the very least been used for something positive.

As to "what could be more sick?" People with attitudes to cut off welfare to starving children come to mind. And the execution of innocent men for crimes they didn't commit.
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