Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Really?? Sadam was going to single handedly keep the caliphate forces out of 3 different sovereign nations??
Anyone with common sense would think he could easily have defeated ISIL before it grew into this. Saddam had a good experienced Army, many of them Veterans or the Iran War. He had good equipment, and was a formidable foe. You seem to forget that Bush and Mini Me Cheney fired the entire Army, and ended up with a bunch of yahoos. You can bet many of those ex-Iraqi Army are now part of ISIL.
Iraq could have easily stopped them in Iraq, Syria could have easily stopped them in Syria, had we not meddled there too, trying to sell Democracy. End result? No ISIL.
You can try and spin this in any direction you like, but your Buddy Bush wears this one, and will go down in History with it. And I don't want to hear the old "Obama pulled us out of Iraq" crap, since its not true. The pull out dates had been set under Bush, and the Iraqi Government told us to leave. End of story.
In the mind of a conservative, Obama and Bush are both idiots who were fiscally irresponsible,
A conservative recgnizes both as poor presidents, as most conservatives are logical and can evaluate performance, regardless of party.
A liberal is blinded by partisanship and defends incompetence (Obama) out of party loyalty and only attacks those on the other side of the aisle (Bush).
If "Conservatives" are that wise, and that capable, then why did the Country elect Obama, not just once, but twice?
If Conservatives where all that, how come they couldn't get Obama out in 7 whole years, after devoting 24-7 to doing it. A whole Party against one Black Man.
If Conservatives were all you say they are, where are they being kept? It surely isn't the Candidates they have been parading across the stage during elections.
To a Conservative, anyone, no matter where in the road they are, becomes a "Liberal" to them, if he/she doesn't agree with them on everything.
A Conservative has no room at all to criticize people who they see as following the "Party Line." They even want to exclude players from their ranks if they don't sign or swear an Allegiance to the Party. How can you talk about Obama, when the Republicans want to exclude anyone running as a Republican, if they don't swear an Oath to support the elected Candidate? Its hypocritical.
You can bet many of those ex-Iraqi Army are now part of ISIL.
Iraq could have easily stopped them in Iraq, Syria could have easily stopped them in Syria, had we not meddled there too, trying to sell Democracy. End result? No ISIL. D
Yep. There are many ex Iraqi Army officers in ISIS. That's well documented. Their expertise on military tactics is what makes the organization so potent. And don't forget the bulk of ISIS' military equipment comes compliments of the U.S. tax payer. We left billions of dollars of weapons, ammo and vehicles in the country.
The blame Obama crowd want to lay this at his feet. The only problem with that of course is that Bush, not Obama, left Iraq after Bush, not Obama, made the foolish decision to go there in the first place.
Bush was the worst president in history. The residual effects of his 8 horrific years will be detriment to this country for many generations to come. President Obama is the BEST President that we've ever had, and he has done an exceptional job given that no President in the history of this nation has ever had the misfortune of following the disastrous presidency of Dubya Bush.
So this means that the "Blame Bush" crowd is absolutely CORRECT, and the "blame Obama" crowd is about as delusional and misguided as a self-mutilating New Ager who believes that she can talk to spirits of dead people. The "blame Obama" crowd is about as ridiculous as the idea that a rock can be a pet.
Bush was the worst president in history. The residual effects of his 8 horrific years will be detriment to this country for many generations to come. President Obama is the BEST President that we've ever had, and he has done an exceptional job given that no President in the history of this nation has ever had the misfortune of following the disastrous presidency of Dubya Bush.
So this means that the "Blame Bush" crowd is absolutely CORRECT, and the "blame Obama" crowd is about as delusional and misguided as a self-mutilating New Ager who believes that she can talk to spirits of dead people. The "blame Obama" crowd is about as ridiculous as the idea that a rock can be a pet.
Once in a while you should spit instead of swallowing the kool-aid.
Ok well aside from that obvious difference, my point was, do you think both sides are knee jerk reactors?? Don't you think it's a little boring and shows a lack of critical thinking?
They sound exactly the same. Next president will be Republican, and Dems will blame him for everything under the sun. It's just the way it goes.
The "blame Bush" claims have quieted down on recent years, but is it amazing how sensitive his supporters are at the mere mention of his name. It's almost like a taboo, a forbidden topic. That wound had not yet healed......
And of course we have people who claim you can't blame Bush because he is not in office anymore, and the next day you hear them blame Bill Clinton who left the office 15 years ago.
Difference between the "Blame Bush" and "Blame Obama" Crowd?
Are they the same.... 6 of one, half a dozen of another?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kracer
The blame bush crowd has Obama actively engaged in the same.
The blame obama crowd does not have GWB as cheerleader or actively engaged in the same.
TeamObama and the Media chose to "blame Bush" for ALL things bad & the failures of a new President - it was (and still is) a way of avoiding any Responsibility for TeamObama.
"Not my Fault". Whine-Whine-Whine
Prior to the Obama election - "blame Bush" was a matter of criticism, not avoiding Responsibility.
Any "blame Obama" is just a matter of criticism (normal with all Politicians), and if the next President chooses to use it to avoid Responsibility - then he/she will be as Childish as TeamObama.
There is a BIG Difference in avoiding Responsibility with a Childish "Not my Fault" and normal Criticism.
The news we can all look forward to with the next President is that any Criticism doesn't automatically label you as a "Racist".
Since you're new to the country, I'll try to explain our culture. Obamma doesn't hold the U.S. in contempt loves the U.S. but recognizes that it could be better and identifies where we have room for improvement.
Hogwash! Obama hates America and always has. He is intent on destroying. This has been his lifelong ambition, and as a member of a Marxist club while at Occidental, he has stated it. (Ref. John Drew's article, "Meeting Young Obama")
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluefly
The difference between the blame Bush and blame Obama camps is that Bush really was driving our country down the tubes, from mismanaged and sensless war to economic collapse.
Bush's policies had nothing to do with the 2008 economic "crisis" and so-called "mortgage meltdown" which were many years in the making. Government meddling in mortgage banking was largely responsible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluefly
People think Obama's bad but in reality he saved us from economic collapse and helped us grow again, expanding industry and even household income under his watch.
Obama our Savior! Let me know when that growth begins again. Hate to tell you this but household incomes have plummeted under Obama's watch, while health insurance costs have skyrocketed due to his "Affordable Care" Act.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluefly
We're about to add more jobs than Reagan in his second term with government jobs shrinking.
LOL! Really? Where did you get that from? Think Progress? Democrat talking points? After nearly seven years we have the lowest labor participation rate since the Great Depression. And contrary to your statement, government jobs have not shrunk, but have increased.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluefly
He's used military efficiently and effectively and leaned on diplomacy over more violence in the Middle East.
Sure. And ISIS keeps expanding it's territory, and the entire Middle East is in more turmoil than it has ever been in my lifetime. His lack of leadership and foolish foreign policy has been responsible for all of it, and now he is helping Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, increasing the threat to Israel, and the entire region. He also oversaw the overthrow of Gaddafi, who was not threat to the US, which ultimately resulted in the attack on the Benghazi compound, and the death of four Americans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluefly
It's hard to argue against Obama's success overall People can nitpick details but he's done his job of righting our once sinking ship.
What I honestly don't understand is the people who refuse to give Obama credit for anything then pop up when the market is down after 6 years of being up and scream "See! I told you Obama hates America! " Give credit where credit is due! Reagan ruined America middle class but at least he didn't get us all nuked.
Either hater is the same as the party they support. The Dems are depressed and anxious. The Republicans are paranoid and angry.
What I honestly don't understand is the people who refuse to give Obama credit for anything then pop up when the market is down after 6 years of being up and scream "See! I told you Obama hates America! " Give credit where credit is due! Reagan ruined America middle class but at least he didn't get us all nuked.
Either hater is the same as the party they support. The Dems are depressed and anxious. The Republicans are paranoid and angry.
We didn't realize the problems of Reaganomics until 1987 with black Monday, however the market rebounded almost immediately. In 1992 however we truly saw the dark side of Reaganomics when those policies were continued under Bush 41.
Besides ObamaCare, what else has Obama done that is truly that bad? The stimulus was pushed for by W. Bush too so it was a marketer of time.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The difference is common knowledge
Give credit where credit is due! Reagan ruined America middle class but at least he didn't get us all nuked. 
