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Old 09-15-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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I have mixed feelings on the refugee situation but it's always interesting how moderate Reagan was in reality and how his actions ran counter to many of today's conservative positions.

GOP 2016ers collide with Reagan immigration policy - CNNPolitics.com

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Old 09-15-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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Very few of the illegals amnestied in the '80s were "refugees", certainly not millions.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:36 PM
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But thirty years later, the US of today is much changed. Just as the US was even more different a hundred years ago. We really don't have the room or the resources to welcome a 100,000 refugees that would be staying in the country pretty much permanently. America doesn't have enough decent jobs for its own citizens let alone jobs for Syrian refugees. So once they are here, most of them will need government support indefinitely in regards to housing, food and educating their children. And their children, once acclimated to living in the US will not want to ever return to Syria.

Economically, most Americans are struggling to live week to week. And any open land we have would be better utilized for farmland or conservation efforts. Maybe one hundred years ago, we could have taken in all the refugees, but the jobs just aren't there for them. Manufacturing jobs have gone overseas.

Our money would be better spent trying to make Syria livable for them so that they could just stay put. And they should stop having babies while they are living in such a terrible situation.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:55 PM
 
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Very few of the illegals amnestied in the '80s were "refugees", certainly not millions.
True, but that makes the point even further. Reagan offered amnesty to millions - both everyday illegals and refugees.

Again, I'm not taking Reagan's side on this because I think it's very complicated but it's interesting how the hero of conservatism acted on values that transfoemed our country but would get him rejected from the Republicans of today.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:57 PM
 
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But thirty years later, the US of today is much changed. Just as the US was even more different a hundred years ago. We really don't have the room or the resources to welcome a 100,000 refugees that would be staying in the country pretty much permanently. America doesn't have enough decent jobs for its own citizens let alone jobs for Syrian refugees. So once they are here, most of them will need government support indefinitely in regards to housing, food and educating their children. And their children, once acclimated to living in the US will not want to ever return to Syria.

Economically, most Americans are struggling to live week to week. And any open land we have would be better utilized for farmland or conservation efforts. Maybe one hundred years ago, we could have taken in all the refugees, but the jobs just aren't there for them. Manufacturing jobs have gone overseas.

Our money would be better spent trying to make Syria livable for them so that they could just stay put. And they should stop having babies while they are living in such a terrible situation.
The U.S. in the 80s was not much different. Like Obama, Reagan inherited a massive recession from the blunders of his predecessors.

Also similarly, the economic engine took time to get into full swing while Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals and refugees who'd already settled here. Even worse, industrial manufacturing was moving overseas while Japanese imports were coming in, so the need for jobs was at least as great as it is today.

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Old 09-15-2015, 09:58 PM
 
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Reagan's amnesty was part of a deal with the democrats to close the border. Unfortunately only one side kept its word.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:03 PM
 
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Reagan's amnesty was part of a deal with the democrats to close the border. Unfortunately only one side kept its word.
And Republicans have been unable to do so? Like oh say...2003 when they held the house, the senate, and the presidency?

Ohhh..because neither side really has any interest in solving this problem that benefits big business.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:07 PM
 
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And Republicans have been unable to do so? Like oh say...2003 when they held the house, the senate, and the presidency?

Ohhh..because neither side really has any interest in solving this problem that benefits big business.
You are off by about 20 years. Not to mention republicans would need 60 votes in the house to get anything passed.

Or we can keep deflecting about democrats refusing to uphold their end of an agreement.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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Reagan's amnesty was part of a deal with the democrats to close the border. Unfortunately only one side kept its word.
But the tighter crack down on employers was stripped out of the bill before Reagan signed it, and I agree with the other poster that neither Republicans nor Democrats have really solved immigration, so I'm not sure why you think it's partisan.

Businesses depend on cheap labor, which is more in the camp of conservatives to protect than the high salary and union loving Democrats.

People go around fences. Obama's removed the largest number of illegals of any president.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:20 PM
 
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But the tighter crack down on employers was stripped out of the bill before Reagan signed it, and I agree with the other poster that neither Republicans nor Democrats have really solved immigration, so I'm not sure why you think it's partisan.

Businesses depend on cheap labor, which is more in the camp of conservatives to protect than the high salary and union loving Democrats.

People go around fences. Obama's removed the largest number of illegals of any president.
Actually the Obama argument is not quite right either. They changed how they counted the removal numbers. So while yes, the number removed is up, thats more of a reporting issue. He's about average that way.

But yeah, this isnt partisan, this is politicians unwilling to do their job as the situation benefits people they care about. E-verify-simple and easy.
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