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Old 09-24-2015, 12:00 PM
 
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The countries that appear to have "free" everything have taxes approaching or in some cases exceeding 50%. They also tend to be very small countries with relatively homogenous societies, such as the Scandinavian countries. The recent influx of largely indigent and unemployable immigrants to those countries where everything is "free" is starting to cause their governments and citizens to take another look at the cradle-to-grave welfare model, which was already starting to show strain even before that.

Nothing is really free. Somebody pays for all those "free" services, usually in the form of extremely high taxes or a lower quality of life.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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we live in an age in america where 46% work. the big question on everybody's mind since 1963.
why isnt greek mythology taught as history?
everything is free right? the government will pay for everything.
The gov's role is to provide protection, am I right?

So it's OK to provide free defense from crime and terrorism, but not free defense against the elements and coyotes?

Housing is not like a major luxury.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The gov's role is to provide protection, am I right?

So it's OK to provide free defense from crime and terrorism, but not free defense against the elements and coyotes?

Housing is not like a major luxury.
you are FREE to build your own, just be sure to follow code, and hopefully have the skill to build it
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Ever see pictures of free Govt housing projects in Russia or the US ?

There is a reason they don't work. I would not want to live in Govt Housing.
The elements and coyotes would be the least of your worries.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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Utah did have good results with providing the homeless with free houses.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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The gov's role is to provide protection, am I right?

So it's OK to provide free defense from crime and terrorism, but not free defense against the elements and coyotes?

Housing is not like a major luxury.

Where is this "free housing" going to be located. How is it fair that your "free" house is in a better zip code than the one that I have to actually pay for? If you want free housing, it should be located in a work camp next to a farm that needs labor.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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Most European welfare states will find a way to house you as well, if you're so destitute so as to have no home and no way to get one. Of course, most welfare states will already provide you sufficient funds to pay rent on a modest place, so those actually homeless tends to be those with a substance abuse problem that absorbs their money, and just putting a roof over their heads does little to address the root cause.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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Healthcare is free in some countries, but housing is not, and housing is cheaper and more important.

Housing is cheaper healthcare because it prevents a lot of problems like being mugged or getting lice or bitten by spiders.

You might say, people won't go to work if they don't have to pay rent.

But that's not true.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were both billionaires, but they still went to work.

I think the CEO of a few companies during the recession worked for $1 a year.

They work cuz they like to work.

I was looking at job postings. For one secretary job, there were sixty applications for that one job. Sixty.

If you cut out the people who wanted to work only to pay rent, maybe they would still get twenty applications for that job. That's still plenty.

I don't think having homeless people benefits anyone. Because then homeless people get mugged or beaten up and then they have expensive police visits or hospital stays.

And housing is cheap compared to the other costs of government like defense and research.

The Iraq war cost like 3 trillion dollars. And more people die to heart attacks than to terrorism.
I hope, for everyone's sake, that you're just a middle school student. Because this post is so full of ignorance, it's really hard to know where to start.

First of all, I don't "free" means what you think it means. Nothing is free, it's just someone else paying for other people's stuff.

Jobs and Gates were billionaires BECAUSE they worked. They weren't instantly rich, then decided to keep working. They wanted to be rich, so they made it happen. In Gates' case, he stopped working once he was rich. So much for your theory.

People work "cuz" they want to eat, have a roof over their head, and nice things for their families. Very few like to work.

I'm glad you've appointed yourself the one that decides what's "plenty".
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Free? I don't think you know the meaning of that word.
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