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Old 10-05-2015, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88 View Post
Remove suicide from that equation and the number drops to roughly 150,000....

Remove gang violence, fueled by drugs, and it drops even more dramatically....

I'm willing to entertain the idea of more laws, but let's keep the numbers in perspective....
Can you please post real statistics to support your claim?

Also, IMO even 150,000 is a number that would be considered war on our citizens!

 
Old 10-05-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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Let's bring back the wild west. Gunbelts and holsters and shoot outs on suburban blocks cause the neighbor stepped on your grass. Yep. What could go wrong. Chaps and spurs optional. Yep yep yep. Arm everyone . yay
Your knowledge of history is incredibly faulty. Nice try at a rather lame talking point.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Perspective doesn't matter to people who make decisions based on emotion rather than logic.
You think that 150,000 innocent citizens of our country,hunted down and killed by firearms, is not enough to give us a perspective???
 
Old 10-05-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Can you please post real statistics to support your claim?

These stats are readily available online.

The best set of data is the FBI statistics which have been segregated by zip code. If we exclude suicide, and remove the zip codes in the inner cities commonly associated with gang violence, the US has the lowest gun-related death rate per-capita in the world. In cities all across America, millions of people own guns that never harm anyone.

Parts of Chicago, Oakland, Baltimore, Oakland/Richmond, Los Angeles, St. Louis and Houston. Neighborhoods in those regions are killing zones. Nobody says sheet.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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Here's a very good and nuanced take on the topic of gun safety, from a writer at the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/op...1224&te=1&_r=2
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You think that 150,000 innocent citizens of our country,hunted down and killed by firearms, is not enough to give us a perspective???
Considering the nature of your posts, no.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Considering the nature of your posts, no.
There is an enemy, within our country, that is killing thousands of Americans who are ambushed in theaters, malls, churches, and schools!
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Here's a very good and nuanced take on the topic of gun safety, from a writer at the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/op...1224&te=1&_r=2
Most of his thoughts have been embraced or proposed by the NRA.

Liberals want a ban. The cries for background checks and similar are just noise. Nothing short of a ban is enough.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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There is an enemy, within our country, that is killing thousands of Americans who are ambushed in theaters, malls, churches, and schools!
The only enemies in our schools are the idiots who turned the place where our children spend the majority of their day into hunting preserves for the criminally insane. If you were truly worried about the safety of our children you would be calling for public schools to have the same level of protection that the children of the elite enjoy at their private schools, i.e. armed guards.

Instead, you want to take the stance that gun free zones aren't enough and further infringe on the rights of Americans to defend themselves. You're emotional and illogical when it comes to the issue of firearms. You just want them gone, because your skewed thought process says that if we just didn't have firearms we wouldn't have any murder. Those of us in the real world understand that evil and crazy exist in this world and are very well entrenched. Therefore, having the ability and the means to defend ourselves and others from those that are evil and crazy is an important part of being what is called a responsible adult.

Tell you what, if you truly believe that gun free zones work and Americans should not have the right to keep and bear firearms, start a movement to remove the armed guards from elite private schools and from the employ of government officials, up to and including the President. After all, they are citizens as well and should not have any more protection than what the rest of us have.

Last edited by JimRom; 10-05-2015 at 10:44 AM.. Reason: Autocorrect sucks
 
Old 10-05-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by JimRom View Post
The only enemies in our schools are the idiots who turned the place where our children spend the majority of their day into hunting preserves for the criminally insane. If you were truly worried about the safety of our children you would be calling for public schools to have the same level of protection that the children of the elite enjoy at their private schools, i.e. armed guards.

Instead, you want to take the stance that gun free zones aren't enough and further infringe on the rich of Americans to defend themselves. You're emotional and illogical when it comes to the issue of firearms. You just want them gone, because your skewed thought process says that if we just didn't have firearms we wouldn't have any murder. Those of us in the real world understand that evil and crazy exist in this world and are very well entrenched. Therefore, having the ability and the means to defend ourselves and others from those that are evil and crazy is an important part of being what is called a responsible adult.

Tell you what, if you truly believe that gun free zones work and Americans should not have the right to keep and bear firearms, start a movement to remove the armed guards from elite private schools and from the employ of government officials, up to and including the President. After all, they are citizens as well and should not have any more protection than what the rest of us have.

Gun free zones work on airplanes.
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