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Old 10-09-2015, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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yep, and ever since murder was made illegal, we ended that problem as well.

Do you think murder should be made legal?
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:19 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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Do you think murder should be made legal?
Only for criminals.

What we need is an "a---ole" law.

"So and so is an a---ole, so I shot him."

Should be a valid excuse. Kinda like in the old west. People would be a lot more polite and considerate of others.

Last edited by jamies; 10-09-2015 at 09:38 PM..
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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I laugh when the ammosexuals say that we should not have any more gun laws, but we should enforce the ones we have. Ok, so what laws are not being enforced and why not? Have not heard any sensible or factual answers to that.
how about when people LIE on form 4473? how many are prosecuted for that? the VP said they dont have time to investigate and prosecute those people.

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Also, define "background check." Criminal only? FBI printing and running a local check? What about people who were naughty and arrested in another country? No national or local check would cover that. What about history of child abuse investigations that are usually civil, not always criminal in nature? What about mental health and drug evaluations? A full mental health evaluation to determine propensity to abuse a weapon, or only hospitalization history? Specifically what should be included? If defining this was even a remote possibility, and if it was universally applied, it could be a start. There are more to "background checks" than most realize.
the background checks being done check the database for criminal records, and people that have been adjudicated mentally defective. and unless you are buying a gun from a private party, and depending on what state you live in you need to go to an FFL and have the transfer done there to get the background check done, you will have the background check done at the FFL. if you buy a gun on the internet, or through the mail, the gun has to be sent to an FFL local to you, otherwise it is a violation of federal law.

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Then there is the question of all the unmonitored gun show, private, and internet sales, registration inconstancies, stolen weapons, etc. who would conduct checks in these situations? Should owners of stolen guns be prosecuted if their stolen gun was used in a crime?
if a gun is stolen, why should the owner be prosecuted if someone else commits a crime with that gun? the owner didnt commit the crime.
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Old 10-10-2015, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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(I'm guessin' you meant 4th?)

Who cares? If we threw out the 2nd, just tear up the 4th too.
While we're at, let's ditch that pesky 1st, too.
You're right, the 4th. Sorry about that.

As far as the First, it protects you from government retaliation for speaking your mind. It does not protect you from public opinion when you're an *******. You say it, you own it.

If the First amendment wasn't there all of the posters here who criticize the government might disappear overnight. If you're still here, it's still working.

As to the second - Nobody wants to take away guns for self defense. What we do want is control of whose hands they fall in so that a lot of guilty fingers aren't pulling innocent triggers. Besides, if the government really wanted to confiscate all guns and went house to house, there is not a private citizen alive here who has enough firepower to resist it. The first ones they would come for, BTW, are the CWP holders and people who post about gun ownership ion message boards. C-D is heavily monitored by the FBI because of members of Stormfront, the Klan, and other hate groups who post here. They already know who has what, and would come with a warrant for probable cause.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:38 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Here is why laws, already on the books, don't work. Note the why and the what of gun charges being dropped, and the main name involved. She's somewhat famous now.

Man who evaded police at Fort Meade charged in robbery - Capital Gazette

This guy should have been locked up instead of being kicked loose to continue committing crimes and finally get arrested again. And it wasn't really the Judge's fault. Blame can rest on the now famous State's Attorney.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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All those children and young adults, who were killed, were denied their constitutional rights in a big way!

The number one responsibility of our government is to keep Americans safe and secure.
Cornyn:

Why does the NRA protect guns more than human lives?
You are correct, but it isn't the NRA who denied their rights. The government is the entity who put them in harm's way by creating hunting preserves for the criminally insane.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Not anymore since that type of fertilizer is now regulated.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R43070.pdf
You're hilarious. Do you know how easy it is to create explosives using household goods that you can buy at Walmart? For that matter, you can make black powder without ever buying anything from a store if you do a bit of research. I managed to mix up working black powder at 14 years old just by reading a library book and doing a bit of work to gather the materials.

The idea that banning guns would stop mass killings is ludicrous. The only thing you'd manage is to change the methodology.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Armed guards at schools are precisely "drops in a bucket" solution to mass shootings. We would have to provide and pay for sniper shooters to be in every classroom, rec-room, dormitory, bathroom, gym, cafeteria, commons, etc......., to be effective. How much would that cost? What a nice environment for our young children to grow up around.


FYI, Columbine had an armed guard on duty. Lot of good that did.
Columbine-armed guard: Colorado shooting shows that NRA's Shield program likely won't work.
This has already been covered. The armed guard at Columbine engaged Harris and Kliebold in a firefight, driving them back into the school and distracting them from firing at students. He then engaged with them again through a window they were attempting to shoot students through, again disrupting their plans. Finally, he used his own body as a shield to escort students from behind a car to safety. Before you accuse someone who laid his life on the line of being useless, do some research. Otherwise, you make yourself sound like a jerk.
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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You're hilarious. Do you know how easy it is to create explosives using household goods that you can buy at Walmart? For that matter, you can make black powder without ever buying anything from a store if you do a bit of research. I managed to mix up working black powder at 14 years old just by reading a library book and doing a bit of work to gather the materials.

The idea that banning guns would stop mass killings is ludicrous. The only thing you'd manage is to change the methodology.
You are hilarious! You think that we are helpless against thugs and mentally ill with assault weapons. Therefore, your idea is to freely provide them access to assault weapons so that they don't kill us by other methods. Brilliant!
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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This has already been covered. The armed guard at Columbine engaged Harris and Kliebold in a firefight, driving them back into the school and distracting them from firing at students. He then engaged with them again through a window they were attempting to shoot students through, again disrupting their plans. Finally, he used his own body as a shield to escort students from behind a car to safety. Before you accuse someone who laid his life on the line of being useless, do some research. Otherwise, you make yourself sound like a jerk.
How many students were shot there and how many died in spite of having an armed guard on the premises?
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