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Old 11-05-2015, 03:20 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Rely on US intelligence? Not so much.

Why isn't Russia investigating the cause? Will Russia rely on US intel??

In my opinion, seeing as how the US is so damn good at lying, the US is backing up ISIS's claim that they are responsible, and the US "intel" is meant to stir up Putin and give him reason to up the strikes and put boots on the ground, and much more, in Syria and possibly Iraq.

We have seen the damage US "intel" has done in the ME.
US Intel does more damage than it's actually worth. I've seen how worthless it was ever since the first WTC bombing in the late 90's.
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Old 11-05-2015, 03:28 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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That Red Sea side resort town will be dead now. Airlines and tourists will avoid it.
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The British government on Wednesday suspended flights to the Egyptian resort of Sharm el Sheikh. The government also advised against all air travel to Sharm el Sheikh. As many as 20,000 Britons are at the resort, officials estimated. “We are working with the airlines, and the Egyptian authorities put in place emergency procedures and additional screening and additional security” to get those travelers home.
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Egypt's tourist industry was just starting to head in positive direction after the damage of the Arab Spring and the Brotherhood had done. This situation puts them backwards at least two years as Europe does to Egypt what Obama did to Israel last year. Israeli tourism was more affected by the Obama ban on flights than years of Palestinian issues. Meddling and more meddling.
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Old 11-05-2015, 03:38 AM
 
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Ehhh...savages?

Russians have blown 2 large civilian airliners out of the sky themselves.

So what does that make them?
So what? They are killing terrorists.
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Old 11-05-2015, 03:47 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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It doesn't make sense that ISIS would do this to a Russian plane instead of an American or European plane. They know Russia will come after them full force, America not so.
I am waiting for hard evidence, as right now it is to Obama's and our military's favor to have the evidence skew toward ISIS, and let the Russians spend the money and bare the fallout going hard after ISIS instead of us having to do it.
Doubt it was core ISIS itself. It was probably some small branch loosely connected to ISIS. One has to put this in perspective that these were the uneducated followers with probably 6th grade educations that followed a Imam with an agenda. If it is proven to be a bomb placed by ISIS or some militant group Russia will not be able to simply fly in and bomb that region since Egypt is under the wing of the US and per the Treaty Israel would have to go against the US and give permission to Russia to enter that area. Hypothetically Russia may do a night attack with planes repainted with Egyptian markings and Israel will publicly state it was a violation of the Egypt/Israel Treaty but in reality allow it to happen with the hope the Gaza Strip is also hit. Egypt has wanted to bring in the big armaments, but the US has been blocking it due to the wording in the Treaty the US penned.
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Old 11-05-2015, 03:52 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Lol...the Russians ain't gonna do squat. Please.

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Russia has a reputation to uphold. Whatever response they do will fast, hard and heavy. It won't be to win, it will be to make a point.
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Old 11-05-2015, 04:00 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Some people are cowards that hide and snipe from their keyboards, in some dreary and damp cellar.

Obama wont do squat is what some on here really mean.

Actually, Obama 'will' do something .. he'll import Syrians and place them in every corner of the nation while no one is paying attention.

Putin will do something and as usual .. the boy who would be king, Obama will continue to be a major embarrassment and continue to tell everyone how isis is nothing more than a jv team!

Putin talked to the pentagon yesterday .. Not to Obama!

Putin either believes that Obama is a part of the muslim brotherhood (likely) or Putin just doesn't respect the boy-child .. (also likely).

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You could have said just get rid of the two lame ducks, Obama and Biden. This would put Paul Ryan and Orrin Hatch in charge which puts the Republicans in charge until the next elections. John Kerry could home as he is also of no help in the ME.
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Old 11-05-2015, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If I remember correctly ISIS was formed by people who once were part of Al Qaeda. Yes it is our fight, as it is the fight of all civilized nations. ISIS is an affront to civilization and to decency. Those people on that plane did nothing wrong. The people being beheaded in Syria did nothing wrong. The Kurds and other ethnic minorities in Iraq and Syria did nothing wrong, the Christians in Syria did nothing wrong. ISIS is killing these people because they exist. ISIS plans to take over the middle east. What part about all this being a problem don't you see?? Our government plans to take in thousands of refugees from that conflict zone, that directly effects us now. When they control half the middle east and oil is 400$ a barrel that will effect all of us. When they carry out a holocaust against the Jews, the Shia Muslims or Middle eastern Chrisitans the blood will be on the worlds hands. This radical group is the most dangerous menace of our time. If left unchecked it will become a regional or even world power, an evil power. Remember the Nazis?? they were a bunch jokers marching in the streets of Munich in the 1920s, no one took them seriously. Twenty years later their armies unleashed havoc upon all of Europe killing tens of millions. Ignoring threats is never wise.
I remember the Nazis. But you don't remember the reason why they came to power. Ever hear of the Versailles Treaty, which America was involved in?

Do you remember the reason why ISIS, ISIL, and Al Qaeda are a threat to us? Some who were once are allies. We created them with our involvement in the Middle East. And every time we dispose a leader, which is illegal and unconstitutional, the extremists take over. It has nothing to do with left unchecked, it has everything to do with us meddling in affairs that is none of our business.

Bring our troops home and protect our borders like the Constitution says.
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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"US Intel" did not offer a shred of evidence that it was a bomb or that ISIS had anything to do with it. Some unknown source speculated that it "could" be. And when "US Intel" does leak something, that would be the same "US Intel" that told us there were WMDs in Iraq and Saddam was about to unleash a nuke on the west. Learn to recognize when you are being manipulated.
There WERE WMD's in Iraq and nobody said Saddam was going to unleash a nuke on the West. You have a very vivid imagination that is fueled by outright lies.
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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Ehhh...savages?

Russians have blown 2 large civilian airliners out of the sky themselves.

So what does that make them?
Sometimes we jump into the action, unfortunately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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ISIS has been armed and financed by the Obama administration. Don't kid yourself. Putin is well aware of this. The provocation with this incident is big. The retaliation will come.
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