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Old 11-11-2015, 03:50 PM
 
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So in effect, you stated that Trump plus third party candidates would get 70% of the vote.
Nope.

I said King Hillary is only going to get ~30% of the vote. The King only appeals to partisans. The rest of America does not want to see a Clinton dynasty. They want to see the Clintonites gone.
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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Nope.

I said King Hillary is only going to get ~30% of the vote. The King only appeals to partisans. The rest of America does not want to see a Clinton dynasty. They want to see the Clintonites gone.
If you said that Hillary only gets 30% of the vote, you in effect said that the other candidates on the ballot would receive 70%; meaning Donald Trump and as of now, a bunch of dwarfs, would get 70% of the vote.

Math lesson: 30%+70%=100%

Any Republican or Democrat nominee, barring a significant third party candidate, will received over 40% of the popular vote, and under normal circumstances, over 45%.
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:01 PM
 
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If you said that Hillary only gets 30% of the vote, you in effect said that the other candidates on the ballot would receive 70%; meaning Donald Trump and as of now, a bunch of dwarfs, would get 70% of the vote.

Math lesson: 30%+70%=100%
I said nothing about Trump. But......


It's good to see that you think that Donald Trump will beat The King. Everyone knows this, but not as quick to admit it.
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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So in effect, you stated that Trump plus third party candidates would get 70% of the vote.

Mitt Romney received 59% of the white vote in an election with a 72% white electorate and lost by 4% and nearly 5 million votes, while receiving 47% of the popular vote. In 2016 it is expected that the electorate will be 70% non-Hispanic white and 30% minority. If the minority vote percentages don't change, the GOP nominee would need to get 63 to 65% of the white vote to get a bare majority of the popular vote. There aren't enough white votes available to shift the popular vote anywhere close to 60%, let alone 70%. The only way for a Trump or anyone else to come close to a landslide of historical proportions (topping out at about 60%) is with a broad based landslide that includes landslide support from minorities as well as whites.

Also, the only way that Hillary, or any other Democratic nominee only gets 30% of the popular vote would be where there is at least 1 and probably 2 significant third party candidates, and there is no evidence of that happening in 2016. The only time in history when the Democratic nominee polled 30% or less of the popular vote was the 28% by John W. Davis in 1924, the year of the "Klanbake Convention." LaFolette received 16% of the vote in what was a Calvin Coolidge victory. Even George McGovern received 37% in 1972.

Unless 2016 is one of those extremely rare paradigm shift elections (1932, 1968, 1992) we're more likely to have another one of those elections where both sides have their solid bases of 45-47% of the vote and the outcome is decided with the winning side getting no more, and probably less, than 53% nationally.

The results you are hoping for are unprecedented in American political history. You are entitled to your opinion, but if you are actually expecting that result on election night, odds are that you're in for a letdown.
Trumps fans blow a lot of hot air. They must have learned that from The Donald himself.
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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I said nothing about Trump. But......


It's good to see that you think that Donald Trump will beat The King. Everyone knows this, but not as quick to admit it.
That's not what I said, and no, not everyone knows The Donald would beat Hilldawg. In my opinion, HRC will be a strong candidate in the General, and The Donald won't wear well over the course of the campaign. The only candidate that I think would be worse is Ben Carson.
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Old 11-11-2015, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That may be true but Silver was still wrong about Trump.

Why Donald Trump Isn

Win or lose he is a real candidate.
Silver isn't wrong, Trump is a very hated candidate. How about you wait until after people start voting before you try to champion Trump the Birther.
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Old 11-11-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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No, it would just take a sufficient number of the mid-sized/larger states joining the National Popular Vote Compact and agreeing to award their electoral votes to whichever candidate wins the popular vote. As it currently stands, the participation of FL, IL, MI, NC, OH, PA, and VA would render it in effect.
Most unsigned states won't join that movement for the exact same reason they wouldn't vote to repeal the electoral college: they don't believe it's in their interest to do so.
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Old 11-11-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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Silver isn't wrong, Trump is a very hated candidate. How about you wait until after people start voting before you try to champion Trump the Birther.
Posts like this are sad. I have no idea why people get so offended when someone is simply willing to honestly discuss a topic.

Like him or not he is a legitimate candidate. Support him or not, he is a legitimate candidate. Silver was wrong.
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Old 11-11-2015, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Posts like this are sad. I have no idea why people get so offended when someone is simply willing to honestly discuss a topic.

Like him or not he is a legitimate candidate. Support him or not, he is a legitimate candidate. Silver was wrong.
Actually, it is honest to state that Trump has very high negatives with considerable segments of the public. That has to be considered.
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Old 11-11-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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Actually, it is honest to state that Trump has very high negatives with considerable segments of the public. That has to be considered.
Are his negatives as high as Hillary's?
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