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View Poll Results: Do you Agree with Obama that Americans are Shameful?
No 267 84.23%
Yes 50 15.77%
Voters: 317. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-16-2015, 10:50 PM
 
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You can start by pointing out the specific area of the constitution that delgates matters of immigration to the fed govt.
Edit to your edit:
I see you are relying on an unconstitutional "act" to substantiate your claim.
Sorry no sale.
I'm not fast enough for this thread!! Anyway, it took a little time, but here.

Article I, Section 8, clause 4 of the Constitution entrusts the federal legislative branch with the power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” This clear textual command for uniformity establishes that the federal government, specifically Congress, is responsible for crafting the laws that determine how and when noncitizens can become naturalized citizens of the United States.

[url=http://www.americanbar.org/publications/insights_on_law_andsociety/14/spring-2014/who-is-responsible-for-u-s--immigration-policy-.html]Who is Responsible for U.S. immigration policy?[/url]

It's a very long article, but in case you don't a chance to read all of it, here is how it ends.

In short, although there is a uniform federal immigration law, and although the Supreme Court has declared unequivocally for over a century that the federal government has the exclusive power to make and enforce that law, the policies and practices of state and local governments throughout the country continue to shape the lived experience of the immigrants within their jurisdiction. Notwithstanding the letter of the law, federal immigration law is always mediated by powerful intervening forces at the state and local level.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:54 PM
 
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He should keep his personal opinions to himself, he's elected to serve us. What an ass.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:59 PM
 
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It would be shameful if it were countries that actually like the USA. It would be shameful if we had a proper means to do background checks on these refugees. WE don't . Why do we impose in-depth checks on people applying for immigration VISA's but not refugees?
Finally what is shameful is that Obama has no issue with leaving 150,000 vets homeless, welcoming 11 million illegals, and trying to force 185,000 refugees upon our nation. That is shameful....
What are you talking about? there is an 18-24 month vetting of refugees

"Several federal agencies, including the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are involved in the process, which Deputy State Department Spokesman Mark Toner recently called, "the most stringent security process for anyone entering the United States." These agencies use biographical and biometric information about applicants to conduct a background check and make sure applicants really are who they say they are."
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:59 PM
 
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He should keep his personal opinions to himself, he's elected to serve us. What an ass.
Huh???

By the way, Obama never said "Americans are shameful." This poll is shameful. It is asking members of City-Data to vote on something that isn't true. He only said the idea to accept refugees based on their religion is shameful.

There are 22 Republican governors using politics to criticize the President.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:00 PM
 
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I'm not fast enough for this thread!! Anyway, it took a little time, but here.

Article I, Section 8, clause 4 of the Constitution entrusts the federal legislative branch with the power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” This clear textual command for uniformity establishes that the federal government, specifically Congress, is responsible for crafting the laws that determine how and when noncitizens can become naturalized citizens of the United States.

Who is Responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

It's a very long article, but in case you don't a chance to read all of it, here is how it ends.

In short, although there is a uniform federal immigration law, and although the Supreme Court has declared unequivocally for over a century that the federal government has the exclusive power to make and enforce that law, the policies and practices of state and local governments throughout the country continue to shape the lived experience of the immigrants within their jurisdiction. Notwithstanding the letter of the law, federal immigration law is always mediated by powerful intervening forces at the state and local level.
Naturalization is not the same as immigration.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:03 PM
 
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Naturalization is not the same as immigration.

Did you read my entire post? The POTUS and Congress determine the number of refugees who can enter the United States, not the States.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:05 PM
 
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I believe this is the first time that a USA President has traveled overseas and called Americans "Shameful" to the world press.
What's shameful is the way you created a poll that is based on a lie you posted by changing a direct quote. Obama never said Americans are shameful. Never.

Ted Cruz suggested that we should check to make sure the Syrian refugees are Christian and only allow those people who are true Christians into our country. Obama said the idea of discriminating against refugees by their religion is shameful. Here is the exact quote:

"And when I hear folks say that, well, maybe we should just admit the Christians but not the Muslims, when I hear political leaders suggesting that there would be a religious test for which person who's fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political persecution, that's shameful," he said, his voice rising. "That's not American. That’s not who we are. We don’t have religious tests to our compassion."

What's also shameful is that our Constitution never mentions anything, not once, about Christianity What people here are failing to understand is that these refugees are victims of ISIS, the same enemy the United States is fighting.

EDIT: I came back to change one word. Yes, the Constitution does mention "Freedom of Religion." However, it does not mention God, Jesus, or Christianity.

Last edited by justNancy; 11-16-2015 at 11:16 PM.. Reason: change word from religion to Christianity
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:08 PM
 
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Did you read my entire post? The POTUS and Congress determine the number of refugees who can enter the United States, not the States.
You are referencing an opinion piece.
Naturalization is the act of granting an individual citizenship who did not previously have it. The constitution says nothing about regulating who and how many are allowed to emigrate here, thus it becomes a state matter.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:10 PM
 
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Here is how I would handle the 'Syrian Refugees' - Allen West Republic#

Don't allow any fighting age man to come here. Only women and children.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:10 PM
 
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Our western leaders see this as a situation where they can kill two birds with one stone.

Destabilize the middle east, wage war on terrorists, under the facade of making the world a safer place. The real mission is making the region a safer place for Israel.

Import Muslim refugees which will destabilize the West (as seen in France), tell citizens their safety is more important then their freedom, take take take.
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