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The Founding Fathers were smart. They knew how to compromise. Madison and Jefferson the real backbone of the constitution surely would have written more in if they could get away with it.
Here's four quotes from Jefferson about Refugees looking for Asylum:
You are conflating Asylum with immigration. They are different things.
Lovely sentiment, but as men who believe in a nation of laws and not men, I am sure these statements were in the context of LEGAL immigration by those who sought to assimilate and seek the American dream as a member of America.
Not in the context of millions of people streaming over the borders and sending their money out of this country. Of people with no allegiance or intention of allegiance to this nation or its citizens. Illegals who balkanize this country with demands of their language being taught in schools and all governmental forms being available in their language instead of undertaking the effort to learn the language of the land and the customs of this nation and to become part of the "great melting pot" that would lead to prosperity and harmony among the people.
The Constitution restricts Congress. "Congress shall make no law . . . prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]." Restricting visas based on religion would be found unconstitutional--a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. Natural rights theory suggests that free exercise is protected for both citizens and non-citizens. The plain text of the Amendment restrains Congress irrespective of the subject of the law.
once again you are wrong. the constitution only applies to people IN THE US. if they are not in the US, then they dont NOT get the constitutional protects. congress makes the rules as to who can come to the US and who cant. if they make a rule that says no muslims can get visas, then guess what, no muslims can get visas. its our immigration law. once they get here we cannot stop them from practicing their religion, but they have to get her first.
I don't get what immigration law has anything to do with Americans practicing religion in the USA. Preventing Muslims from traveling to America or from immigrating to America doesn't prevent Americans from practicing Islam.
In the past we had all sorts of restrictions on immigrants - in the early 1800s, they began to heavily restrict asians from immigrating to the USA.
None of that is un-constitutional. Entering the USA is not a right but a privilege, and if we mark Muslims are undesirables, due to their cultural and religious mismatch with our morals we are trying to preserve, we have a right to keep them OUT.
once again you are wrong. the constitution only applies to people IN THE US. if they are not in the US, then they dont NOT get the constitutional protects. congress makes the rules as to who can come to the US and who cant. if they make a rule that says no muslims can get visas, then guess what, no muslims can get visas. its our immigration law. once they get here we cannot stop them from practicing their religion, but they have to get her first.
Even if it protects non-Americans living in the USA. No biggie. It certainly doesn't apply to those trying to immigrate here or visit us on a tourist visa.
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Why would anyone from outside the country have any constitutional right to come in the first place? From my standpoint, who we allow in is entirely discretionary.
On the other side, the 2nd Amendment confers a direct right to weapon (note I did not limit to gun) ownership and carriage (looking for a synonym to "bear" in this context).
The First Amendment prohibits Congress from making any law "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion. Can you point out where the Constitution states that doesn't apply to immigration policy?
The founding fathers who made this country (rebelled against the British, and later made the constitution) only allowed a naturalization process for White Europeans.
Strange thing, that Second Amendment. When Madison wrote it, he wasn't specifying that all Americans had a natural right to arm themselves. Actually, he was specifically addressing the concerns of the anti-Federalists of the then-federal government regarding the use of a standing army. The right of the people to bear arms and form militias was not to be legally infringed so as no standing army would be the only armed force present. It's confusing and misinterpreted by many who don't understand why it was written and the intentions behind the reason. After all, zero states issued proposals to the Bill of Rights regarding the natural right to bear arms, six had to do with standing armies.
Strange thing, that Second Amendment. When Madison wrote it, he wasn't specifying that all Americans had a natural right to arm themselves. Actually, he was specifically addressing the concerns of the anti-Federalists of the then-federal government regarding the use of a standing army. The right of the people to bear arms and form militias was not to be legally infringed so as no standing army would be the only armed force present. It's confusing and misinterpreted by many who don't understand why it was written and the intentions behind the reason. After all, zero states issued proposals to the Bill of Rights regarding the natural right to bear arms, six had to do with standing armies.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
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