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View Poll Results: Which is more unconstitutional?
option 1 114 83.21%
option 2 23 16.79%
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The First Amendment applies to the government passing laws that establish a religion or that impede the freedom to practice a religion. A law discriminating against a religion, in any capacity, impedes the free practice of that religion, and is therefore a violation of the First Amendment.
Sorry, but the Supreme court ruled otherwise in the 1990 case of United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez.

The court reiterated the finding of Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding, 344 U.S. 590, 596 (1953), "The Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders".
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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You are absolutely wrong. Congress cannot restrict immigration on the basis of religion. That is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. Congress can restrict immigration on other bases that don't violate the Constitution.

What you are arguing is akin to saying "there is no right to have health insurance, so if the Affordable Care Act only applies to non-Christians, there is no restriction on religion, only on health care law." That is wrong.
The 1st doesn't apply to ANYONE but CITIZENS/RESIDENTS and GOVERNMENT. NONE of our rights extend to foreign lands. The Constitution has nothing AT ALL to do with immigration or tourism.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The 1st doesn't apply to ANYONE but CITIZENS and GOVERNMENT. NONE of our rights extend to foreign lands. The Constitution has nothing AT ALL to do with immigration or tourism.
This is true. See post #71 for the actual court case.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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Sorry, but the Supreme court ruled otherwise in the 1990 case of United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez.

The court reiterated the finding of Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding, 344 U.S. 590, 596 (1953), "The Bill of Rights is a futile authority for the alien seeking admission for the first time to these shores. But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders".
Sorry, but you've missed the point.

The government cannot pass a law discriminating against a religion. It's not about immigration in this case. The government of the United States is not permitted to discriminate against a religion. In any capacity.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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This is true. See post #71 for the actual court case.
I just read it. Thanks for posting it. It won't help because people will just ignore it, but it needs to be out there. Thanks again.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:18 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I strongly disagree with both - and any true conservative should as well.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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Sorry, but you've missed the point.

The government cannot pass a law discriminating against a religion. It's not about immigration in this case. The government of the United States is not permitted to discriminate against a religion. In any capacity.
Wrong. They can revoke ANY privilege at ANY time they want to at THEIR discretion.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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I strongly disagree with both - and any true conservative should as well.
True conservative? What is it with you pure righties? You don't have a lock on conservatism. The people you support, the Establishment aren't true conservatives, they are Progressives, so that would make you one as well.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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Wrong. They can revoke ANY privilege at ANY time they want to at THEIR discretion.
WRONG.

The Constitution of the United States is a bulwark against such discrimination. Their "discretion" has to follow the Constitution, not violate it.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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1)Restrictions on firearm ownership, on the sale of firearms, and on the purchase of firearms

2)Immigration and tourist visa restrictions based on religion or any other criteria (such as country of origin).
Pssst, where is the word Immigration mentioned in the Constitution?
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