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Old 01-04-2016, 09:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Drewcifer View Post
In this case the government is the manifestation of the will of the people, while the armed protesters are a bunch of thugs who want to dictate their will to the rest of us. They don't own that land, ranchers don't own that land, all Americans do, collectively through the government.


Yet, it happened.

Only in America can an armed populace, tell the government to ph*ckoff!
Where else in the world, does that happen?
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Old 01-04-2016, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Yet, it happened.

Only in America can an armed populace, tell the government to ph*ckoff!
Where else in the world, does that happen?
Somalia, Syria
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Old 01-04-2016, 09:59 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I have this thought of you and these other "patriots" back in the Whisky Rebellion. All riled up waving your musket around and plastering the countryside with anti-government leaflets, only to quickly sulking back to your cabin once the government takes you up on your threats of violence.

It could happen.... You don't know until one uses their right to try.
What is their deterrent to not make a stand and loose their lives? Government?

Local law enforcement won't even get involved.
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Ammon Bundy runs a Phoenix-based company called Valet Fleet Services LLC, which specializes in repairing and maintaining fleets of semitrucks throughout Arizona. On April 15, 2010—Tax Day, as it happens—Bundy's business borrowed $530,000 through a Small Business Administration loan guarantee program. The available public record does not indicate what the loan was used for or whether it was repaid. The SBA website notes that this loan guarantee was issued under a program "to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace." The government estimated that this subsidy could cost taxpayers $22,419. Bundy did not respond to an email request for comment about the SBA loan.
How the Leader of the Oregon Armed Protest Benefited From a Federal Loan Program | Mother Jones
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:00 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Somalia, Syria
Have they not set up their own government hierarchy? Seems they have with banking systems and everything.
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yet, it happened.

Only in America can an armed populace, tell the government to ph*ckoff!
Where else in the world, does that happen?
Just because you can, doesn't necessarily mean you should.
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Old 01-05-2016, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'd love to know how many of these guys get government subsidies. Being as that many are ranchers and work when they want to, I'd be willing to bet most of them get some sort of government assistance. For those who do, just convict them of criminal trespassing and reckless endangerment and take away their subsidies. If they want to fight the charges, go after them for domestic terrorism.
I always wondered what some of these people do for a living, most are are middle-aged so how do they support these vacations don't they have jobs.

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Old 01-05-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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Some what more but they didn't point a gun at a federal agent. The difference is that these people lost in court, supposedly they love the constitution but when it doesn't go their way it's gun's and ammo. The other protests did not involve guns. There have been many protests that involved taking over government building, none that I recall had guns.
The two who lost have turned themselves in to serve out their unjust sentence.

If a black man had been sentenced for having pot on him, served his sentence and then federal officials decided he didn't serve minimum time the left would be right there to defend and protest that decision.

It can happen which is why it's stupid to take sides based upon pre-conceived notions on color or politics.
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:17 AM
 
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Guns are most certainly an issue when anyone feels a need to carry a weapon in any demonstration, what could possibly be the purpose.
In part that is why the founders wrote the 2nd amendment. They had just done this very thing.
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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I think most people would agree that this resentencing business sucks. Obama might have commuted their sentences to time served. But now that would be seen as caving to pressure from armed terrorists, so it is out of the question.
It was rejected well before that.
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