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Old 01-07-2016, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hillary has killed a lot of people with her moves in Libia and exposing all her email.
Her husband I hear is also about to have tens of new women coming out to the press about his various attacks on women. So much in common with Crosby.

Sanders is a basic Communist. Already said he would attack business and all that and rule through giant government. SURPRISE.

I think Cruz is not ready yet, but Trump who is losing 300 million a year being in politics could probably do us the most good.
He will be the probable winner and will maybe even take New York if he isn't assassinated first.
His election stops influence on the left, right, activists, companies and unions. All those who gain power, money and influence through the Left or Right side of government despise the change a Trump would bring.

They would have no more sweet heart deals. No more insider information like before.
Going to be a withdrawl for the old guard.
It is Libya, not Libia. Her "husband" is former president Bill Clinton. There are not "tens of new women," (whatever that even means) so you've probably "heard" that from a non-credible source.

Trump is a hateful divisive egomaniac who is doing nobody but himself any 'good.'

Take New York where? He's detested in the areas he lives, because people know him. New York and Palm Beach is where he is least popular. And, really, assassinated? His supporters are the only people who would even consider doing something that atrocious.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Ron Paul did start a revolution, didn't he.

No amount of Establishment backing and big money, is helping this time around.



As congress goes, so does the candidates to run for the highest office.
Looks like Conservatives, have had enough of the Establishment taking over the show. Bush, McCain, Romney, progressive socialist types, need not apply this time around.
I love the fact that the establishment is so upset. They thought they were going to set us up with another Bush-Clinton match so that whoever won the 2016 race - nothing would really change.

I especially like to see Jeb Bush squirming. Typical do nothing politician. Now if we could just knock off Hillary Clinton next!
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I don't know what's more bizarre...

The republicans losing control and having Trump in the lead....

Or the democrats shoving the most corporate, wall-street, off-shoring insider the could find down the throats of their base.
Regarding the Republicans, I think they have always depended on working and middle class voters (their simply are not enough rich voters ) who finally had enough with a party establishment that uses them for votes but ignores their interests and concerns. It is why Jeb Bush basically collapsed.

Regarding the Democrats, in contrast the Democratic voters are not quite there yet although we see a element of that with Bernie Sanders. The establishment still has control with a typical safe do nothing candidate like Hillary Clinton. They are supporting her even though she comes with considerable negative baggage and the Democratic party certainly has able candidates in Congress and in the States that could run.

If a candidate like Sanders or Trump could get a platform that really recognizes the problems of middle class Americans they could get voters from across party, racial and ethnic lines.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:21 PM
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I don't know what's more bizarre...

The republicans losing control and having Trump in the lead....

Or the democrats shoving the most corporate, wall-street, off-shoring insider the could find down the throats of their base.
Why do find the latter bizarre? What entity do you think is large enough to allocate crony capital to those same corps. and Wall Streeters but progressive Big Government--which Democrats naturally embrace?

Wall Street went 2-1 Obama over McCain (who's almost as noxious).
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:25 PM
 
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Ron Paul did start a revolution, didn't he.

No amount of Establishment backing and big money, is helping this time around.



As congress goes, so does the candidates to run for the highest office.
Looks like Conservatives, have had enough of the Establishment taking over the show. Bush, McCain, Romney, progressive socialist types, need not apply this time around.
Why can't tea party types create their own party, rather than leeching off the financing and work of "establishment" republicans??
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:28 PM
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Why can't tea party types create their own party, rather than leeching off the financing and work of "establishment" republicans??
Don't worry, Salon.com and other wishful, giggling, progressive noise said 5 years ago that the Tea Party failed and that it was co-opted by the Republican Party.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:30 PM
 
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With Governor Brown of California ticking off the enviromentalist vote in CA watch for that to be the next bizzare shift in voting.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:08 PM
 
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Yep. I've argued for years for people to do what we are seeing today. For people to quit voting for the establishment guy with the proper letter after his or her name.
Can't speak for other states but here in TX the biggest problem is that we allow "straight ticket" voting, which encourages people to go whole-hog D or R. It panders to the lazy voter. There have been grassroots efforts to do away with it but the R's are the ones who benefit from it and they're in control.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:24 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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What sucks about this is the establishment is losing control in favor of the radical Christian Right, not the libertarian wing of the party. The radical Christian Right is out of step with a majority of Americans, but they are just influential enough to be dangerous.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:29 PM
 
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What sucks about this is the establishment is losing control in favor of the radical Christian Right, not the libertarian wing of the party. The radical Christian Right is out of step with a majority of Americans, but they are just influential enough to be dangerous.
I'm not sure how this works.....people don't support them but they are growing in power?

How does this work?
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