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I haven't followed it too closely in recent days, did they threaten LEOs? I've seen them say they would defend themselves if attacked, but not threaten to kill LEOs.
Also it's hard to distinguish between the real members of the group, and the plants.
I would agree that nothing they did was wise, and they would have been much better served by taking a more legal approach to their protests.
I don't see how they could be considered terrorist. They have so far been peaceful.
Webster defines terrorism as,
terrorism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal
There is video of Shawn telling others to come help them and kill any LEO or fed that tries to stop them from getting in.
I haven't followed it too closely in recent days, did they threaten LEOs? I've seen them say they would defend themselves if attacked, but not threaten to kill LEOs.
They were illegally present and told to leave. They refused. Next step would be to send LEO to forcibly evict them, because that's how the law works. If at that point you've declared "you will defend yourself when attacked", law enforcement is not obliged to risk their lives to see if a forcible eviction will be considered an "attack". The threat is implicit.
The tubby guy is Sean Anderson, the one who is right now, on live feed, claiming then never threatened anyone, and it's unfair that they will not be allowed to simply walk out of there and go home. Because they never, ever threatened anybody!
I guess he doesn't realize that when you broadcast stuff, it's out there for everyone to see. Moron.
Actually, I'm convinced it was. It's entirely possible the FBI duped Palmer into setting up the meeting, with the idea Bundy and company would never reach it. However, based on a photo I saw at a roadblock, Palmer was not at the venue, but rather out at a roadblock. Oregonlive.com had a still photo of Palmer, at a roadblock, with a shotgun. I hardly think he was out there to shoot fellow LEOs. So I think it's equally possible one of two things happened:
1. Palmer said what he said about the Hammonds in order to lull Bundy, et al, into a false sense of security. After all, they'd been making supply runs into Burns for weeks. Palmer could have been in on it from the beginning.
2. The FBI, knowing Palmer was sympathetic to the terrorists, went to him and asked him to set up the meeting in John Day, and told him the Bundy group would get safe passage. Then, unbeknownst to Palmer, the bust was made and someone got the news to Palmer, in John Day.
I think door #2 is less likely, as I'm sure the FBI would not like the taste of lying to a fellow LEO. If #2 is correct, the FBI will get much less cooperation from Palmer in the future. Now, whether they care about that, your guess is as good as mine.
However, I agree with the poster who said the FBI must have thought it was Christmas when the Bundys and the, "leadership group," headed north toward John Day. They picked an excellent place to stop them, because, to paraphrase Pete Clemenza, there were no pain in the ass innocent bystanders.
I'm convinced Finicum was reaching for a gun (inside pocket of a winter coat is a stupid place to put it), because he realized he WAS going to be heading to prison, and as he had stated, he'd rather die than do that. So he got what he wanted.
I think it's interesting and telling that the judge in Portland denied bail for the Bundys and most of the others arrested on that road.
I wonder if they're getting gummi dicks and dildos sent to the jailhouse, yet?
Palmer is already in deep trouble with the so-called "patriots" because of the roadblock. A lot of them think he's an FBI informant after photos allegedly showed him at the roadblock. I think the FBI set him up, too, to destroy his cred in the patriot thug community.
Too bad the domestic terrorists didn't meet a fitting end. You and I have different ideas of what are domestic terrorists. People petitioning the government for a redress of grievances pursuant to the 1st Amendment are not it.
That's why God created lawyers. Petitions are done through legal channels to protect everyone involved and their rights. Just because you don't get the answer you want doesn't mean you have been discriminated against.
If the standoff means so much, why aren't you out there with the remaining four? They would certainly welcome some help. Sandy Anderson has asked on FB, but everyone was busy washing their hair this weekend.
So if I see an unoccupied building, I am within my rights to march in and make myself at home?
Interesting.
I hear the bank is closed on Sunday. Maybe we can occupy the first federal.
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