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Most conservatives tend to believe in the political beliefs of Jefferson,Washington, and Lincoln and tend to support the notions of the Constitution. It is a very clear path which can be traced to the Jefferson Papers and The Constitution.
A conservative praising Lincoln, well that's a new one for this site.
Actually, you can trace modern liberalism from folks like Thomas Paine (see Agrarian Justice), Adam Smith (if you actually read Wealth of Nations and not the Cliffnotes) Thaddeus Stevens, Fredrick Douglas, Elizabeth Katie Stanton, Samuel Gompers, Lester Frank Ward, Franz Boas, W.E.B. Dubois, Robert LaFollette, John L. Lewis, Eugene Debs, Herbert Croly Theodore, Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt, A. Phillip Randolph and the brothers Reuther and frankly so many others too numerous to name who were far more influential to American liberalism than Stalin - who by the way was an anathema to American liberals - would ever be.
You know it is amazing that a couple of blogs, or websites name dropping the likes of Saul Alinsky, the Frankfort School, and such while neglecting to long and rich history of the pursuit of social and economic justice in the United States that dates to the very founding of the nation. And having left American "radicalism" out of the course of study, leaves conservatives making wildly inaccurate, ahistorical rants that in their context are not only baseless but ridiculously incoherent.
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I do agree that classical liberalism began with the Protestant Revolution. Spreading the wealth philosophies began as early as Rousseau and you had Henry George and of course Marx.
Rep for that. I can't stand the left but Stalin has little influence.
What I like about this response is you're able to separate the two, yet like neither. This means you are smart.
Many who do not like liberal ideology, as you say (using liberal as in modern definition; Republicans and Democrats are both 'liberal' in the proper sense of the word), will use talking points about Stalin simply because of the arbitrary left/right scale that allows them to put a center left Democrat in the same boat as far right, totalitarian communist dictator, Joseph Stalin. I appreciate that you, along with many conservatives, who are intelligent and mature enough to recognize that distinction.
I'd rep you, but apparently I've done so too recently, so this reply will have to do.
But if you cannot comprehend the differences between liberalism, progressivism, communism, socialist, and stalinism, then perhaps you are just not intelligent enough to talk about this subject at all. By the way, a wordpress blog is not a very convincing source, especially one that starts off by warning the viewers about Satan.
This is a guy who thinks the Nazi's were socialists. I'm not making that up, either, he's said this.
A conservative praising Lincoln, well that's a new one for this site.
Actually, you can trace modern liberalism from folks like Thomas Paine (see Agrarian Justice), Adam Smith (if you actually read Wealth of Nations and not the Cliffnotes) Thaddeus Stevens, Fredrick Douglas, Elizabeth Katie Stanton, Samuel Gompers, Lester Frank Ward, Franz Boas, W.E.B. Dubois, Robert LaFollette, John L. Lewis, Eugene Debs, Herbert Croly Theodore, Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt, A. Phillip Randolph and the brothers Reuther and frankly so many others too numerous to name who were far more influential to American liberalism than Stalin - who by the way was an anathema to American liberals - would ever be.
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Most conservatives tend to believe in the political beliefs of Jefferson,Washington, and Lincoln and tend to support the notions of the Constitution. It is a very clear path which can be traced to the Jefferson Papers and The Constitution.
Well, that certainly explains the continuing Conservative opposition to things like abortion and same sex marriage which have been declared Constitutional by the SCOTUS.
I'd say it's more like just as Conservatives pay constant lip service to the ideas of less government spending and less government despite their continual demonstrations of being perfectly willing to SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! and to grow government when it suits their agenda, they only "tend to support the notions of the Constitution" that suit their agenda.
This is a guy who thinks the Nazi's were socialists. I'm not making that up, either, he's said this.
They were the National (as in NPR) German Socialist Workers Party.
"Workers" parties--and ones that add "Socialist" for emphasis--are in fact socialist. As are the people who show up at the porch of a function with the words "socialist workers" scribbled above the doorbell.
Next you'll claim Obama isn't a progressive too. The left should admit to and own up to its 'mistakes' throughout history.
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