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Old 02-13-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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You either have common sense or you don't. If the military has an urgent need for troops then we should not be concerned about equal rights. Not if there are millions of able bodied men sitting around doing nothing. I'm not arguing whether it is fair... just smart!

Just smart? If there are able bodied men just laying around, why do men still have to sign up?
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:09 PM
 
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You either have common sense or you don't. If the military has an urgent need for troops then we should not be concerned about equal rights. Not if there are millions of able bodied men sitting around doing nothing. I'm not arguing whether it is fair... just smart!
Politics threw common sense out the window when they decided to open up combat roles for women, so you can't use that argument. Women have to sign up now, or it'll be "unequal". The libs wanted this; now they have it and want to complain. Typical.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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Just smart? If there are able bodied men just laying around, why do men still have to sign up?
Thats the pool of people that gets chosen for the draft.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:12 PM
 
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Politics threw common sense out the window when they decided to open up combat roles for women, so you can't use that argument. Women have to sign up now, or it'll be "unequal". The libs wanted this; now they have it and want to complain. Typical.
I agree! But, why should liberals get to choose our policy? The combat roles is a moot point because it is voluntary. A good policy is a good policy regardless of which roles current women have. Remember that the military has the UCMJ (uniformed code of military conduct) If we try to treat the military like it is a company (i.e. walmart) then bad consequences will occur.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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No, thats not the argument exactly! The combat for women thing is a new thing. And, it is (supposed to) be based on qualified women only. So if a woman wants to join a combat team then she has to qualify just like the men.
The issue of registering women for selective service should be based on national defense and not political correctness. Nobody's rights are being violated. Women can still sign up IF THEY WANT TO.
Requiring women to sign up would be placing a higher priority on perceived equal rights at the expense of national defense.
Again, if the generals had their pick they would not select 50% women to fight the bad guys in an emergency war-time scenario. The only "fair" way to implement a draft is randomly. Thats counter-productive and bad for the military!
Maybe we should mandate that the NFL have women on their rosters? And, they have to play at least 1 woman at all times. How would that work?
well only small percentage of folks in the military actually see combat.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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well only small percentage of folks in the military actually see combat.
I understand your argument. But, from a military viewpoint (I am a 25yr vet) it is NOT in the best interest of the country. That is how military decisions are supposed to be made. Political correctness is not a good reason to implement such a big change. It's not needed, and it's not necessary.
Lets say (out of fairness) that we do require women to sign up. But, we want to give the military a choice on how to draft new people. How would it work? Would we choose all the men first and then the women? Would we do background checks on people before we draft them? These things sound reasonable if you are concerned about fairness. BUT... it would be an additional burden imposed on the military (when we need to be fighting bad guys)
What if we drafted randomly? Well, we would have MANY women who would not qualify for deployment. Not to mention the additional stress that is placed on families who now have no mother or daughter. All of this additional burden (which is not necessary) just to pretend to be equal.
If you only had men then you would still have problems. But these problems would be less. Less stress for the military, and less stress at home for families. Think about it
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I agree! But, why should liberals get to choose our policy? The combat roles is a moot point because it is voluntary. A good policy is a good policy regardless of which roles current women have. Remember that the military has the UCMJ (uniformed code of military conduct) If we try to treat the military like it is a company (i.e. walmart) then bad consequences will occur.
Liberals claim that The Silly Conservative Freak-Out Over Women in Combat. Pentagon says women in all combat units by 2016. Military already reached the Point of no return. Might just as well go all the way.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I understand your argument. But, from a military viewpoint (I am a 25yr vet) it is NOT in the best interest of the country. That is how military decisions are supposed to be made. Political correctness is not a good reason to implement such a big change. It's not needed, and it's not necessary.
I know that and I agree with you. But military has already reached a point of no return

All Combat Roles Now Open to Women, Pentagon Says

All Combat Roles Now Open to Women, Pentagon Says - NBC News
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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I know that. But military has already reached a point of no return

All Combat Roles Now Open to Women, Pentagon Says

All Combat Roles Now Open to Women, Pentagon Says - NBC News
Well, you have 2 different issues. The women in combat is an Obama imposed thing. Yes, we may be past the point of no return on that one. However, the Pentagon is going along with Obama because he is the commander - in-chief. That all comes to an end soon!

2. The selective service is totally different: I'm not saying that women can't do the job (in the military) I'm not even saying that they shouldn't join the military, -- IF THEY WANT TO. Thats the difference!
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Well, you have 2 different issues. The women in combat is an Obama imposed thing. Yes, we may be past the point of no return on that one. However, the Pentagon is going along with Obama because he is the commander - in-chief. That all comes to an end soon!

2. The selective service is totally different: I'm not saying that women can't do the job (in the military) I'm not even saying that they shouldn't join the military, -- IF THEY WANT TO. Thats the difference!
With all due respect, please talk to liberals. I already said I agree with you. Argue with somebody else.
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