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Old 04-02-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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If your business depends on paying employees subpar wages and zero benefits, maybe you're already out of business and just don't know it yet.
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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according to BLS
California - May 2014 OES State Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates

the median wage is $18.84/hr in california....

It seems like this move is purely symbolic and not going to have much impact
Oh there will be impact.

Suppose you have a serving staff of six workers making $10 an hour. The government forces you to increase that to $15/hr. Your labour costs (for a job duty requiring no specialized skills whatsoever) just increased from $60/hr to $90/hr.

You now have three options:

1. Eat the additional cost and hope it doesn't impact your bottom line.

2. Ask the staff to try to increase sales to offset the added costs by using "soft cell" techniques, potentially alienating customers in the process.

3. Lay off two staff members to bring costs back to $60/hr. Tell the remaining four staff members that because they just received a 50% raise, that they need to work 50% harder. Remind them this is an unskilled position and there are an unlimited number of candidates who can replace them if they don't like it.

Now, given the history of corporate America, which option do you think most businesses will take?

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The fantasies of owning a business, you would run a fine ship of low moral and high turn over of employees.
You just described every minimum wage paying job in America.
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Old 04-02-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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Yes, when people are being paid the least with no benefits, then you get what you paid for.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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So California and NYC both push measures to implement $15 minimum wage. I can't believe AMERICANS can't see how you are being sold out by both parties.

What do both of these places have in common? They encourage unlimited numbers of illegals to come to both places. Gee, when the owner of Bob's cupcakes can hire Mike America for $15/hr to sweep floors, Tijuana Tito for $7/hr under the table, who is he going to hire?

And let's be honest - many people just aren't employable for $15/hr.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:51 PM
 
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If your business depends on paying employees subpar wages and zero benefits, maybe you're already out of business and just don't know it yet.
Great! Let them go out of business so that others who pay more can take their place.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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So California and NYC both push measures to implement $15 minimum wage. I can't believe AMERICANS can't see how you are being sold out by both parties.

What do both of these places have in common? They encourage unlimited numbers of illegals to come to both places. Gee, when the owner of Bob's cupcakes can hire Mike America for $15/hr to sweep floors, Tijuana Tito for $7/hr under the table, who is he going to hire?

And let's be honest - many people just aren't employable for $15/hr.
No, let's not "be honest." To be honest, I think all employees deserve to be paid subsistence wages. I don't condone slavery. You do?
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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No, let's not "be honest." To be honest, I think all employees deserve to be paid subsistence wages. I don't condone slavery. You do?
But you clearly condone robbery!
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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To all those supporting this, none of you have ever had to meet a payroll in your life. But that won't stop you from telling the person who has how he's doing it all wrong. And any politician who proposes a bill like this has never met a payroll in his life either, but pats you on the head as you vote for him.
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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But you clearly condone robbery!
Wanting more money is robbery? Then we are all robbers including you. Wanting enough to live on is not robbery it is called wanting to be able to survive. People are not asking for these people to be paid enough to get new cars or big houses just enough to feed and house themselves.
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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So California and NYC both push measures to implement $15 minimum wage. I can't believe AMERICANS can't see how you are being sold out by both parties.

What do both of these places have in common? They encourage unlimited numbers of illegals to come to both places. Gee, when the owner of Bob's cupcakes can hire Mike America for $15/hr to sweep floors, Tijuana Tito for $7/hr under the table, who is he going to hire?

And let's be honest - many people just aren't employable for $15/hr.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Cupcake Bob hires Tijuana Tito under the table he is breaking the law and unless he gets caught, he will likely continue to break the law no matter what the minimum wage is.

And I don't think either New York or California "encourages" illegals to live in their states. Just like you and I, undocumented people go where there are jobs. There just happens to be more jobs in those states than in Wyoming or North Dakota.
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