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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Cupcake Bob hires Tijuana Tito under the table he is breaking the law and unless he gets caught, he will likely continue to break the law no matter what the minimum wage is.
And I don't think either New York or California "encourages" illegals to live in their states. Just like you and I, undocumented people go where there are jobs. There just happens to be more jobs in those states than in Wyoming or North Dakota.
you dont think cali encourages illegals to live in their state? so i guess the fact that san francsico being a sanctuary city, among others in cali, doesnt mean anything? try again.
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If you need two people pushing a broom, you hire two. If you only need one, then you hire one. I don't know of any employer who hires twice the employees that they need because the minimum wage is low, but if you do- please enlighten us
sometimes you hire more people than you need to make sure the job gets doe n a timely manner, however when the minimum wage goes up, you start looking at employees you can eliminate to save money, and the guys pushing the brooms are a place to start. eliminate one of those jobs, and the other guys has to work harder to get the job done. so which is more fair? having two people employed both making minimum wage? or one person employed making a much higher minimum wage?
NYC absolutely encourages illegals to settle there. The city provides ID cards for illegals, city council has proposed laws that would allow illegals to vote, and the city has issued public statements / marketing campaigns encouraging illegals. In California, they began issuing drivers licenses to illegals, with new licenses issued each year for illegals outnumbering those for legal US citizens in the state.
Illegals can't vote in Federal elections, the proposed bill was to allow them to vote in limited elections and I don't see anything to indicate that it has a chance in hell of passing. Drivers licenses issued to undocumented people are clearly marked as such, they do not convey any rights of citizenship but what they do accomplish is they allow those people to buy car insurance and who knows with fewer people driving uninsured our insurance rates might just drop a bit. The increase in the number of license issued was because it was the first year they were offered, it is in no way a predictor of how many people will apply in subsequent years.
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If I'm a small business owner, I am going to have much less incentive to hire an illegal laborer for $7/hr when I can hire an American for $9/hr than if I have to hire that same American for $15/hr. And as mentioned above, NYC clearly has no incentive on cracking down on employers who hire illegals - so this will absolutely encourage under the table work, take American workers out of the work force, not to mention close a huge amount of small businesses.
It is up to employers to quit hiring illegals, they can do it today by using e-verify. It really is that easy.
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Let's take a little retail store or cafe open from 8am-10pm w/ eight kids working that make $10/hr. The increase in labor costs will cost that business owner $250/k per year. Think a lot of small businesses with eight employees can just add $250k in expenses to their payroll?
An employee working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is $20,800 a year, so the payroll for 8 employees working full time would be $166,400. An increase from $10 to $15 an hour is a 50% increase so the labor cost would be $249,600. The net increase cost to the employer would be $83,200 not $250,000
No need to be rude. The minimum wage is not going to double over night. In most parts of California the wage won't reach $15 an hour until 2022, and it will be a year later than that for very small employers. During that time the employer can do a number of things to mitigate the cost; consider outsourcing floor sweeping to a contractor, buy a bigger broom, and even better they might find that he no longer needs two employees because higher wages result in greater productivity.
Which mitigation method is good for hiring more employees, creating jobs or keeping jobs in America?
Illegals can't vote in Federal elections, the proposed bill was to allow them to vote in limited elections and I don't see anything to indicate that it has a chance in hell of passing. Drivers licenses issued to undocumented people are clearly marked as such, they do not convey any rights of citizenship but what they do accomplish is they allow those people to buy car insurance and who knows with fewer people driving uninsured our insurance rates might just drop a bit. The increase in the number of license issued was because it was the first year they were offered, it is in no way a predictor of how many people will apply in subsequent years.
It is up to employers to quit hiring illegals, they can do it today by using e-verify. It really is that easy.
An employee working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is $20,800 a year, so the payroll for 8 employees working full time would be $166,400. An increase from $10 to $15 an hour is a 50% increase so the labor cost would be $249,600. The net increase cost to the employer would be $83,200 not $250,000
Illegals CAN vote!
Democrats want illegals to become legal too so that they can always vote for them.
They are already paid more than their works worth but you want them to be paid even more just because. Let's put math and economics aside, how is that fair, just, ethnical and moral?
An employee working 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is $20,800 a year, so the payroll for 8 employees working full time would be $166,400. An increase from $10 to $15 an hour is a 50% increase so the labor cost would be $249,600. The net increase cost to the employer would be $83,200 not $250,000
Perhaps my wording was slightly unclear - business open 14 hrs per day (8am-10pm) needing 8 workers there at all times, a $5 increase to hourly wages means $201k increase in annual payroll. (360 days x 14hrs per day x 8 employees x $5).
Bill DiBlassio, NYC mayor, has made public Facebook posts in response to Donald trump that NYC welcomes everyone regardless of legal status. You're just being difficult if you are trying to refute certain cities / states absolutely encourage illegals to come - and in large part, it's to exploit their low wage, off the books labor. This will become much more prevalent when minimum wage is increased. Open borders and an increase in minimum wage is one of the biggest economic contradictions I can think of.
Why don't you go down to your local DMV and tell them your not a citizen then tell them you want to register to vote or send your credentials by mail to your state voter registration. See what happens and report back to us.
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