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Old 03-31-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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cut the BS about women and babies or men taking jobs at steel mills.

I'm talking about the SAME JOB, performed by both women and men. Got that? maybe my post above was somehow unclear.
It's clear....it's illegal for a man to be paid more than a woman for the same job. It's been that way for a long time.

I never understand the point here. We are to make it doubly illegal?

When the article notes that women have it better in Egypt than here common sense should tell you to stop reading.

Ethiopia? Seriously?

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The provided 1 example of the US women's soccer team earning as much as 68% LESS than the the US men's soccer team, even though the women actually won a World Cup and people actually go to their games. how is that fair? and don't give me women get their period nonsense. Don't you have critical thinking skills at all?

Reading comprehention is key.
This is even dumber.....overall people do not attend women's soccer. The reason they get paid less is because they take in far less. Should a minor leauger get paid the same as someone in the majors when in the minors they draw 1200 but draw 35,000 in the majors?
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:28 PM
 
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cut the BS about women and babies or men taking jobs at steel mills.

I'm talking about the SAME JOB, performed by both women and men. Got that? maybe my post above was somehow unclear.

The provided 1 example of the US women's soccer team earning as much as 68% LESS than the the US men's soccer team, even though the women actually won a World Cup and people actually go to their games. how is that fair? and don't give me women get their period nonsense. Don't you have critical thinking skills at all?

Reading comprehention is key.
Were these contractual agreements to play for less while the popularity of the league was being established?

Oh and by the way: snarky insults aren't going to get women more money. You do realize that don't you?
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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From a report commission by the Department of Labor:

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Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous
conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a
multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify
corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be
almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.
https://www.shrm.org/Advocacy/Issues...l%20Report.pdf

From the St. Louis Federal Reserve:

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A recent report prepared for the U.S. Department of Labor analyzed the gender wage gap using Current Population Survey (CPS) data for 2007.3 The report takes into account differences between men and women in educational attainment, work experience, occupation, career interruptions, part-time status and overtime worked. The result is striking—these factors explain approximately three-fourths of the 2007 raw gender hourly wage gap of 20.4 percent. The adjusted 2007 gender hourly wage gap is roughly 5 percent.
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Economists Eric Solberg and Teresa Laughlin applied an index of total compensation, which accounts for both wages and benefits, to analyze how these benefits would affect the gender gap.7 They found a gender gap in wages of approximately 13 percent. But when they considered total compensation, the gender gap dropped to 3.6 percent.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/Publicati...han-Most-Think

Now, there may be some gap, which, after attempting to control for relevant factors, might be attributable to gender discrimination. Or it could be attributable to some other relevant factor(s) which they did not control for or did not adequately control for. The remaining, adjusted gap in these studies, which might be the result of gender discrimination is typically around 5%, and sometimes less.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:31 PM
 
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Just as I thought, regurgitating the same nonsense. no critical thinking skills whatsoever. So sad.
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You can keep repeating the same line and talking points till the cows come home.

Same exact job, same exact skill set, Suzie earns less than Joe most of the time.
your post is pure rubbish. the fact is that if a man and a woman work the same job, and have the same experience, and the same time on the job at the same company, then their pay rates are required to be THE SAME. we already have equal pay for equal work laws on the books, and have had them for decades. however, once again if a man works overtime and a woman doesnt, does that mean the man should work for free? if so then that is a violation of federal and state overtime laws.

if suzie is earning less than joe, then she is not working the overtime joe is.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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Women in the world: Where the U.S. falters - CNN.com

This isn't just about wage equality for women. It's pretty eye opening how many countries have the US beat when it comes to women's equality overall.

"Among the dozens of countries where women are better off, according to this measure, are the United Arab Emirates and Norway, the Kyrgyz Republic and Canada, Egypt, Iceland, Japan, Botswana, Honduras and Ethiopia.

The top five, in descending order: Burundi, Mongolia, Qatar, Thailand and Malaysia.

In 2013, women who worked full-time, year-round in the United States were paid 78% of what men were paid -- or 78 cents for every dollar earned on average by men, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. That gap, though, is worse for women of color: Black women make 64 cents and Latinas make 56 cents for every dollar earned by a white man."
Thanks to liberal initiatives, such as NAFTA, China trade policies , and repeal of Glass-Steagle- all Clinton policies .

The last time we had such inequities in wealth, it took a populist republican (like Trump) to restore order. That president was Teddy Roosevelt , the best friend of the middle class.

The middle class has been SCREWED since Reagan. We need a populist who will defend the middle class, not Wall Street and lobbyists. Trump supports the middle class- Hillary supports Wall Street and the status quo.


Want to be a slave? Vote Hillary.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:33 PM
 
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Sorry in spite of all the leftists studies there is no such thing as wage inequality

When I was a student janitor on campus and worked with non-student union janitors, the union janitors were paid 3x my wage plus 2x in fringe benefits. Now THAT is wage inequality.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Beyond the problems with using the raw (un-adjusted) wage gap, the notion that two people who are equally qualified in every way and are equally productive and equally valuable to the company should earn exactly the same wage does not hold water.

Let's say that a company is looking for an IT specialist. They interview a woman for the position and make her an offer of $100,000 per year. She accepts the offer.

Now, a month later, another position opens up and they decide to hire another IT specialist. They interview a man for the position and make him an offer of $100,000. He counters with an offer of $110,000. The company counters with an offer of $105,000. He agrees to take the job for $105,000.

What is the problem here? Should we outlaw negotiation?
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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we're talking about compensation for doing the SAME JOB. Not that women choose lesser paying careers.
Did you actually read the studies? If you have trouble grasping the flawed methodology I'm sure people here can help you.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Women in the world: Where the U.S. falters - CNN.com

This isn't just about wage equality for women. It's pretty eye opening how many countries have the US beat when it comes to women's equality overall.

"Among the dozens of countries where women are better off, according to this measure, are the United Arab Emirates and Norway, the Kyrgyz Republic and Canada, Egypt, Iceland, Japan, Botswana, Honduras and Ethiopia.

The top five, in descending order: Burundi, Mongolia, Qatar, Thailand and Malaysia.

In 2013, women who worked full-time, year-round in the United States were paid 78% of what men were paid -- or 78 cents for every dollar earned on average by men, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. That gap, though, is worse for women of color: Black women make 64 cents and Latinas make 56 cents for every dollar earned by a white man."
It's eye opening all right... eye opening that anyone could read a claim that women are more equal overall and better off in Egypt than in the United States and not be extremely skeptical.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:09 PM
 
Location: London
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how many women work overtime at the SAME rate men do?

how many women take time off to have children compared to men?

how many women become stay at home moms for a few years before going back to work after having children?

how many women take vacations compared to men?

in the end the reality is that men often times work more hours at the SAME job the women do, which is why the men make more money than the women do.

now as to your example, how many womens soccer teams get more fans in the seats than mens teams? if the men are putting fans in the seats more than the omen are, then why shouldnt the men make more money? it works for the NBA vs the WNBA.
You do realize that not all women are mothers, right?
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