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Old 04-12-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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Wrong. It requires one to use the restroom, changing room, etc based on the sex listed on your birth certificate not based on your genitalia. A MTF trans person would still have to use the mens room if they haven't or can't legally change their birth certificate.
You're wrong. Read NC's law. Two words: BIOLOGICAL SEX.

That means no male genitalia in multiple occupancy women's restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, shower rooms, etc., and vice versa.

 
Old 04-12-2016, 06:20 AM
 
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You're wrong. Read NC's law. Two words: BIOLOGICAL SEX.

That means no male genitalia in multiple occupancy women's restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, shower rooms, etc., and vice versa.
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Biological sex. – The physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person's birth certificate.
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2...e/PDF/H2v4.pdf

Care to change your answer?
 
Old 04-12-2016, 06:31 AM
 
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Nope. Anyone in their right mind isn't going to fall for that as an excuse to allow their minor children to be forced to be unwillingly exposed to FELONY indecent exposure sexual abuse.

Why wouldn't someone who's been through the extensive and costly process of anatomically correct sex change surgeries not change their birth certificate to reflect their changed anatomical gender? What do they have to gain by remaining in the multiple occupancy restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, shower rooms, etc., of a gender with which they SO not identify with that they've submitted themselves to extreme measures to change theirs?
 
Old 04-12-2016, 06:34 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Multiple occupancy locker rooms and showers, etc., in nearly all facilities (including schools) are open (meaning private facilities for each individual is NOT provided).

This isn't just about restrooms. It applies to multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facilities which include but are not limited to restrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, shower rooms. It's deceptively dubbed the "bathroom bill" by opponents to deliberately mislead people on the actual language of the bill, which is intended to prevent issues of felony indecent exposure of opposite sex genitalia in multiple occupancy facilities in which various stages of undress frequently occur.


Wow. I some how made it all the way through High School without getting naked after gym class. In fact, NONE of the guys in the locker room stripped down past their skivvies. Weird.




 
Old 04-12-2016, 06:34 AM
 
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Old 04-12-2016, 06:36 AM
 
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Yes in those specific cases that conflict with federal law as outlined in the article you posted bu ta rather large majority of cases stay at the state level, a defendant cannot just decide to move a case out of state court.


Originally you stated that a defendant could under normal circumstances just move a case to federal court. They number of cases in the other 48 states that have cases moved to federal court are an extreme minority as stated.


So NC and MS have now circumvented the ability for their constituents to sue in state court, that is rather wronn headed.
Get out of here with your facts! Didn't you read the posts where InformedConsent states that the NC law is correct, over and over?


Couldn't rep you again, yet.
 
Old 04-12-2016, 07:02 AM
 
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You're wrong. Read NC's law. Two words: BIOLOGICAL SEX.

That means no male genitalia in multiple occupancy women's restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, shower rooms, etc., and vice versa.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Nope. Anyone in their right mind isn't going to fall for that as an excuse to allow their minor children to be forced to be unwillingly exposed to FELONY indecent exposure sexual abuse.

Why wouldn't someone who's been through the extensive and costly process of anatomically correct sex change surgeries not change their birth certificate to reflect their changed anatomical gender? What do they have to gain by remaining in the multiple occupancy restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, shower rooms, etc., of a gender with which they SO not identify with that they've submitted themselves to extreme measures to change theirs?
The law says in plain text that biological sex as stated on a birth certificate. That would mean that a FTM trans person would be required BY LAW to use the ladies room if their birth certificate says they are female.

Some states do not allow you to change your birth certificate. IF it is not allowed in your birth state there is no way to change it.
 
Old 04-12-2016, 07:05 AM
 
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Women don't get charged with indecent exposure for disrobing in women's multiple occupancy locker rooms and shower rooms. However, persons with male genitalia do. And vice versa.

Example: North Carolina

§ 14-190.9. Indecent exposure.
(a) Unless the conduct is punishable under subsection (a1) of this section, any person who shall willfully expose the private parts of his or her person in any public place and in the presence of any other person or persons, except for those places designated for a public purpose where the same sex exposure is incidental to a permitted activity, or aids or abets in any such act, or who procures another to perform such act; or any person, who as owner, manager, lessee, director, promoter or agent, or in any other capacity knowingly hires, leases or permits the land, building, or premises of which he is owner, lessee or tenant, or over which he has control, to be used for purposes of any such act, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

Even those who permit the indecent exposure can be charged.
You still shouldn't be exposing yourself to minors, that is disgusting.
 
Old 04-12-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Wow. I some how made it all the way through High School without getting naked after gym class. In fact, NONE of the guys in the locker room stripped down past their skivvies. Weird.

Swim class, which is REQUIRED in some school districts? How is it possible to not strip down to put on a bathing suit? Also, student athletes (both of my kids were such), regularly strip down, shower, and change after practices/games.
 
Old 04-12-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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Get out of here with your facts! Didn't you read the posts where InformedConsent states that the NC law is correct, over and over?
Care to dispute the US DOJ on that? I already posted the link.

In the case of overlapping state and federal laws, such as discrimination, it's the defendant's choice where the case is heard, NOT the plaintiff's. Federal courts have better outcomes for defendants, so nearly all such cases are removed to federal court.
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