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Old 04-07-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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I don't want that crap! It takes them months and months to see a specialist. I like my insurance, so I'd like to KEEP my insurance.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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I don't want that crap! It takes them months and months to see a specialist. I like my insurance, so I'd like to KEEP my insurance.
Funny you say that. I have a co-worker that took a position in Europe. She started with the plan of just staying two years and enjoying the experience. Now she has decided to stay and after five years, she can. She says health care is much better run there in addition to the quality of life being better.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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Funny you say that. I have a co-worker that took a position in Europe. She started with the plan of just staying two years and enjoying the experience. Now she has decided to stay and after five years, she can. She says health care is much better run there in addition to the quality of life being better.
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Because I have family in the UK and they have waited months to see specialists. Same for someone I know in Canada.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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I guess it's a matter of opinion. Because I have family in the UK and they have waited months to see specialists. Same for someone I know in Canada.
And I live in Seattle which is overrun with Canadians who live just on the other side. They LOVE their health care.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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And I live in Seattle which is overrun with Canadians who live just on the other side. They LOVE their health care.
my buddy in Canada is on a 1 year waiting list to see a Neurotologist in Ontario.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It would take a more unified populace on the matter.

In other countries, both the ideological left and right perceive universal healthcare as something worthwhile. There are conflicting perspectives on how it should be managed and improved – but few, if any, would argue against its existence altogether.

Meanwhile, Americans are still in bitter disagreement over whether such a system should ever surface at all.
Contrary to perceptions, the US never experienced a Golden Age where local communities came together to solve social problems. In colonial times, villages " warned out" the elderly, disabled, the unusual and unmarried pregnant women. Probably the closest the US has come to community- based solutions to social problems was the creation and violent evolution of The Mormon Church.

Healthcare is a constitutional right in most other countries and therefore not politics as usual as has been the case in the US for more than 100 years.

Teddy Roosevelt may have been the first ( and certainly not the last) presidential candidate to campaign on the promise of developing a healthcare system modeled on the German system. He never followed through.

Most subsequent president's made similar promises. Nixon likely got the closest but his choices ended his political career early.

More recently, Bush 2 campaigned on developing an affordable healthcare system for low income earners. He did not follow through and premiums nearly doubled while he was in office.

Presidential candidates make all sorts of promises and fail to achieve them. Sometimes Congress won't play ball. Sometimes the POTUS does not try. Every 4-6 years the masses seem to develop collective amnesia and become convinced, this time will be different. I digress.

Had Teddy Roosevelt followed through on his campaign promise more than 100 years ago, it's unlikely state and federal healthcare lobbies in all their forms, would have evolved as they have, over time. Politicians might have put the people's best interests before private hospitals, insurers, big pharm, medical equipment manufacturers and so on.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:39 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Government health care is bad? We should end Medicare then.
I'm good with that. Refund all the Medicare taxes I've paid plus compounded interest.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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I'm good with that. Refund all the Medicare taxes I've paid plus compounded interest.
Medicare is about the best tax bet of all. Typical beneficiaries have received 2-3x in benefits compared to what they put in. That being said, more lately that generosity is waning and closer to 2x.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Medicare is about the best tax bet of all. Typical beneficiaries have received 2-3x in benefits compared to what they put in.
Higher-income earners do not, as there's NO income cap on the Medicare tax.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Medicare is about the best tax bet of all. Typical beneficiaries have received 2-3x in benefits compared to what they put in. That being said, more lately that generosity is waning and closer to 2x.
I'm definitely feeling less generous to retirees. Close that funnel when they've spent their contribution and tell them to start paying for their own insurance.
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