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Old 04-10-2016, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Pope Francis does give a few too many free passes to corrupt governments. Can't blame the 'capitalist empire' for everything, especially when those corrupt nations sweep so much of their crap under the rug.

Pope Francis no doubt had no desire to join that pile of crap under Argentina's all too big rug! The world has a lot of big bumpy rugs!!!

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Old 04-11-2016, 02:07 AM
 
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So now its OK to live together, have sex with the same gender, smoke pot and have a sex in. LMAO How far the Catholics have fallen. I would not be surprised if this pope had a "hart attack in his sleep" one night soon.
What a pathetic piece. He can acquiesce all he likes. The people he's pandering to believes his religion is the problem. Insofar as they'll use him it's probably some sort of Stockholm syndrome or Catholic white guilt.

Anyways, they'd hang him in secret and throw his body in a river if it achieved one of their left-wing goals.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The Catholic Church needed to make some changes imo and some of the changes the Pope made I think were necessary. He has allowed himself to be manipulated at times like countries of Mexico on the wall issue, harsh criticism of the economic system (capitalism) that rewards people's advancement and efficiency that I think the Pope is just 100% wrong about. He seems determined to win the Political Correctness crowds sympathies, which I find very distasteful.
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Old 04-11-2016, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Currently living in Reddit
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The Catholic Church needed to make some changes imo and some of the changes the Pope made I think were necessary. He has allowed himself to be manipulated at times like countries of Mexico on the wall issue, harsh criticism of the economic system (capitalism) that rewards people's advancement and efficiency that I think the Pope is just 100% wrong about. He seems determined to win the Political Correctness crowds sympathies, which I find very distasteful.
All one really needs to do to understand any of this is to concede that the Catholic Church is a business. And its customer base is dwindling. So the Pope, as Chairman/CEO of the business, is making changes to stem the tide of customer loss and hopefully to attract new customers.

Simple as that. Make no mistake, organized religion is fungible. And in developed countries, not even necessary.
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Old 04-11-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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I think it is pretty funny that no one approved of Catholics til they realized they would prop up the right wind of the Republican Party in terms of abortion opposition. John Paul II's being a committed anti-communist also got attention. But the entire time everyone mysteriously overlooked half the church's directives on social issues and wars. Now that this pope is being as forceful on those as the church is on other issues gaskets are being blown.


Just because the NFL co-opts military service in every pregame show doesn't mean being in the NFL is equivalent to be a veteran. And just because Catholics provided encouragement to conservatives on abortion (and then gay marriage) for the last 20-30 years does not mean Catholicism is beholden to hold a party line that is not its own.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:04 AM
 
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If you have never lived in a place ruled by a military dictatorship you really must do so to complete your education about living in places where that late night knock on the door is no some lost soul needing directions but something more serious.


I've lived in Nigeria (1968-71), Honduras (1974-5) and Bolivia (1981-2). In Nigeria it was the Internal Passports, having to cross an Army Security checkpoint to go to school and once needing a Army escort to get home during a riot in 1970.


In Honduras it was a military coup fortunately bloodless and being delayed 6 hours while the President of Honduras took the plane I was going to fly to Miami FL so he could go on a fishing trip on a Caribbean island . I finished my flight on a still flying 20 year old DC 6 prop job.


In Bolivia it was the barbed wire downtown in the city park, having to surrender my passport fpr save keeping at the local Guardia HQ (they held until you were leaving when they gave you the exit visa and took you to the airport for departure. I also had to go to this Guardia HQ to by a flag for Flag Day. All people even foreigners had to fly an approved Bolivian flag on Flag Day failure to do so was an unpleasant confrontation with a military patrol that checked whether this flag was on proper display.


In all the above places internal dissidents or trouble makers could be picked off the streets and silenced sometimes forever. In Bolivia I lived only a block or so from a man protected by the local military named Klaus Altman (Barbie) who advised the Government on Security tactics. It was dangerous to be too curious about this resident of Cochabamba in the early 1980s . So does knowing this make me a bad person since I keep quiet instead of facing an all to serious military man with a with a Colt 1911 or a military assalt rifle?
nice little diatribe, but you didn't address anything in my post...the guy's a piece of sh*t...i lived in argentina from '80 thru '82, i worked for Royal Ahold Zaandam, a dutch supermarket holding corp.,surveying sites for stores...i know all about the midnight knocks.....so take your condescending crap and stick it up your a*s
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Old 04-12-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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I think it is pretty funny that no one approved of Catholics til they realized they would prop up the right wind of the Republican Party in terms of abortion opposition. John Paul II's being a committed anti-communist also got attention. But the entire time everyone mysteriously overlooked half the church's directives on social issues and wars. Now that this pope is being as forceful on those as the church is on other issues gaskets are being blown.
You have a rosy view of past popes and the church's view on war and social issues.
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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All one really needs to do to understand any of this is to concede that the Catholic Church is a business. And its customer base is dwindling. So the Pope, as Chairman/CEO of the business, is making changes to stem the tide of customer loss and hopefully to attract new customers.

Simple as that. Make no mistake, organized religion is fungible. And in developed countries, not even necessary.
The trick the Pope is trying to pull off is to change course without saying the infallible teaching for 2000 years before him was in fact wrong. Thus losing claims that you must come home to us and moving towards our dramatic presentation is better than both that the guy wearing a business suit and teaching down the street as well as the guy wearing the jeans and tee shirt showing off his tattoos proving he is not set from the population in the next meeting down the road.
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Old 04-12-2016, 08:11 PM
 
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Don't believe the liberal press.
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Old 04-12-2016, 08:30 PM
 
Location: U.S. Pacific Northwest
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The thread title appears to contradict the red words.

Also the black ones.
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