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Old 04-22-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Kamsack View Post
exactly....thanks for pointing that out. Free speech and no consequences doesnt apply btwn employee and employer....
Does that include "claiming" to be transgender in order to have access to and/or use opposite-gender facilities?
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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I think you misunderstood what personal responsibility is, probably because you don't support it.

Personal responsibility does not mean you can't complain about injustice, it means you own your actions. For instance you can protest against US private health care system, but you should still take personal responsibility and save up money for emergencies.
Excuse me, but where did I say it meant you can't protest injustice? That you think Schilling's firing is an "injustice" demonstrates that you do exactly what I said Righties do: selectively apply it when it suits their purpose to do so.
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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Yep, the action which had a consequence was exercising his first amendment rights on a personal social media account, while off the clock at ESPN.
For a media personality working for a global media corporation, no public statement is "off the clock."
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Or so long as you're the Dixie Chicks whose careers were nearly destroyed by right wing extremists here in the US for expressing their disgust with GW Bush. Funny how the wingers forget that...
I guess I'm just not that concerned about what happened to them. Bush ruined them, and also caused the Islamic Terrorist movement- at least that's what the liberals say!
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Everyone likes some sport or other. "Everyone" includes gays, trannies, Muslims, men, women, girls, boys, liberals, conservatives, geniuses and idiots.

ESPN does sports. Only sports. A little something for everyone.

Shilling was hired to talk about baseball, something he does very well. Baseball is America's game, and it's played everywhere there's an American.
With his gratitous and hateful comments, he was costing his boss a hell of a lot of money and loss of network affection. ESPN does not do political talk. That's not their thing. It does a very good job at what it does, but there is a lot of excellent competition. In sports, the channel that's turned on is the one that a sports fan will stick with the most. Losing that hurts ESPN a lot more than CBS or the other networks that also invest heavily in sports programming. ESPN has no comedies, dramas, or news to make up for a program loss of viewers.

If Shilling didn't have enough self control to do the job he was being very well paid to do, he should have been fired.

ESPN gave him a break with the 3-week suspension, something any rational person would take as a serious warning to knock off the hate speech, but he didn't have the self control. So, naturally, ESPN fired a guy who couldn't represent them or himself in the way the job required.

If I had been the CEO, I would have fired him just as fast. The guy was just as unfit to be on camera as a staggering junkie or a drunk.

And he wasn't the first nutjob to get the axe. Remember Rush Limbaugh's very short career as a network sportscaster? Rush didn't get 3 weeks. He was canned the following day for his racist remarks.

BIG DIFFERENCE:
Rush make his comments while broadcasting on the air.
Schilling made his comments on his private twitter account.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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I guess I'm just not that concerned about what happened to them. Bush ruined them, and also caused the Islamic Terrorist movement- at least that's what the liberals say!
Lol, oh of course not, because it doesn't fit the narrative.

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BIG DIFFERENCE:
Rush make his comments while broadcasting on the air.
Schilling made his comments on his private twitter account.
Rush making controversial statements is great for Premiere Networks, because they make a ton of revenue off him and those that listen to him.

Schilling is not paid by ESPN to make controversial statements about non-sports issues.

Private? Twitter is not private, he has thousands of followers, and all it takes is one screenshot or one retweet and it goes viral.

For the 100th time: You represent your company and brand whether you are on or off the clock. Period. That can be anything from tweeting something hateful, to getting a DUI to staring in a pornography film.

It's not political correctness, it's common sense.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Actually, it is the same thing. It doesn't matter if you're on or off the clock, you represent your employer at all times, especially when you post/say things publicly.

As far as the bold, it depends on what was said. If someone simply said, "Black Lives Matter", then no, that's probably not grounds for termination. But if they compared white people to Nazis, then most people would have no problem with their termination.

I thought most adults who worked in some professional role knew this?
This has got to be one of the dumbest comments I've seen in this forum, for any topic..

So, in your mind, a woman writing "Cops are pigs" on a policeman's coffee cup and handing it to him while she's working is the same as a random post on Facebook that is directed at nobody specifically? Wow.

How about another hypothetical example...
It's the difference someone between posting "Fat people are slobs" on their personal Facebook page versus going up to an overweight person and actually calling them a fat slob... WHILE THEY ARE AT WORK, no less!!!
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Though I pretty much agree with Curt's concerns about this issue....he's a grown man & should get off social media. Reminds me of a teenage girl with his constant involvement on Facebook, Twitter, whatever. He loves attention & is a "chatty cathy". I can't stand men who are that gregarious....
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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Does that include "claiming" to be transgender in order to have access to and/or use opposite-gender facilities?
I am sorry not understanding this.... I admit though I dont read into comments well
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:14 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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This has got to be one of the dumbest comments I've seen in this forum, for any topic..

So, in your mind, a woman writing "Cops are pigs" on a policeman's coffee cup and handing it to him is the same as a random post on Facebook that is directed at nobody specifically?
Wow.

It's the difference between posting "Fat people are slobs" on your personal Facebook page versus going up to an overweight person and actually calling them a slob... WHILE YOU ARE AT WORK, no less!!!
Yeah, good idea to re-write what you initially said. Smart move on your part. Try to engage in a discussion like an adult.

Anyways, what you don't seem to grasp is it all falls under a specific company's code of conduct.

It doesn't matter if it wasn't addressed to a specific person or to a group of people.

And it doesn't matter if it happened on or off the clock. Your employment and the code of conduct/ethics you follow don't only apply when you clock in.

And it doesn't matter if it's only posted on social media. Your social media account is a representation of you, and you are a representation of your employer.

Not difficult stuff.


It's interesting that you decided to edit your post, because you probably knew what you said could carry consequences, based on the rules of City-Data.

Interesting how that works.
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