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Ugh. A domestic dispute. Its been said already, but that's about as dangerous a situation as it gets. Highly volltile, totally unpredictable. At least with, say, an armed robbery, threat and intent are pretty clear. With a domestic,there is just zero way to have a proper course of action to intervene, at least for a lone individual. The would be rescuer has no way of knowing how high tensions really are, what's involved that triggered it, and its a gimme that the ones involved are strung like a heavy bow. TWANG!
Thing is, a guy is beating an a gal in public, OK, first instinct is , that's wrong, gotta stop him. However, as often happens with domestics, you intervene, things get physical, you put the guy down, the , at that point, the victim flips out and attacks you. "Don't hurt him, don't hurt him!!" Guy you subdued had a gun, she grabs it and shoots her would be rescuer. Happened s as often as not. Each party in a domestic is a serious threat. It takes more than one person to handle it. The attacker could have the victim down , choking the life out of them, but if you about him, or put him in a sleeper, the victim is quite likely to attack you, in his defense.
"He didn't mean it. "He won't ever do it again."( Though that's been promised before) Yon get the picfure. A lot of people here have probably seen just such a thing happen. I saw a woman attack three cops , who drug her BF off her, screaming , punching , kicking and yowling like a scalded cat, I defense of a guy who was going to put her in a hurt locker. Domestics ARE best left to police, though our instincts, make us want to stop an attack. Noble as those instincts may be, they are wrong headed , and often, to often, get a "rescuer"killed by the one they are trying to rescue. Backing off and calling the cops is not cowardice in such a case. Its common sense.
Exactly - the story doesn't provide all of the details, therefore you, nor I know if she was already being treated by someone else, possibly someone with actual current medical training.
You haven't yet understood the point. It does not matter whether she was being cared for. That's irrelevant.
The problem is that he assumed (if he thought about it at all) that she was being cared for.
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Since we're assuming - we can assume he was thinking "the bad guy is getting away...."
It would have been better if he'd thought, "The bad guy is going away. Good."
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Either way - it's a tragic story and the anti-2a/pro-gun control crowd are enjoying spinning the tragedy to prove a non-existent point.
As I've said, even on the gun forums, people who themselves carry guns are also unanimously saying "He made the wrong decision."
The worst news stories for those of us who carry guns are the ones about armed civilians who take it upon themselves to chase bad guys. That's usually turns out to be a very bad decision, and it's always a worse decision for the armed civilian than letting them run away.
You haven't yet understood the point. It does not matter whether she was being cared for. That's irrelevant.
The problem is that he assumed (if he thought about it at all) that she was being cared for.
It would have been better if he'd thought, "The bad guy is going away. Good."
As I've said, even on the gun forums, people who themselves carry guns are also unanimously saying "He made the wrong decision."
The worst news stories for those of us who carry guns are the ones about armed civilians who take it upon themselves to chase bad guys. That's usually turns out to be a very bad decision, and it's always a worse decision for the armed civilian than letting them run away.
Let's address the point of the wounded being treated - since that seems to be the key topic in the last few comments. No where in the article does it mention she was or wasn't being treated. If she wasn't..then why didn't he render aid? We'll never know. If she was being treated - I highly doubt having all hands available for a wound to the foot/lower leg region is required - especially when one, maybe two people max is plenty for a wound of that nature. I'm being generous with the possibility of a second person being there/needed.
Again - it's a tragic incident and no one will know why he chose to pursue the bad guy vs just letting him flee. Anything we say on that matter is just assumptions.
Everyone proudly totes their gun and wants to play superhero. Just call the police, get the license number, and check on the one girl that was injured. He was leaving, why would you follow him. This isn't a movie.
I'm sorry but this is hilarious. What the hell is wrong with people?!? lol at "Citizens Arrest" in the first place. Get out of here.
what a horrible thing to say. have some respect! he's a Marine for God's sake, so lets assume he's had a lot of firearm training and experience. He tried to help and was tragically killed. end of story.
Someone that has had a lot of firearms training and experience should have known better. The woman was no longer in danger and the shooter was in the process of fleeing the area. The Marine ran to his vehicle, got a gun and needlessly escalated the situation resulting in his own death.
Well at least someone got killed. That's the main thing to celebrate, right?
I really believe there are millions of Americans looking for any excuse to kill any criminal, just itching with anticipation to serve as judge, jury, and executioner. That's what leads to stories like this.
Interesting, that this is what you got out of it? Blame the victim?
Agreed, this is a story about an inexperienced, but concerned citizen trying to help in a bad situation, and nothing to do with whether he had a concealed gun permit or not.
Another case of someone not minding their own business. Instead of trying to be the hero, he should have just called 911 instead.
Except that if you or someone dear to you was being raped, and a concerned citizen sucessfully carried out a rescue, you might be grateful they did not simply call 911, and then just stand and watched.
Except that if you or someone dear to you was being raped, and a concerned citizen sucessfully carried out a rescue, you might be grateful they did not simply call 911, and then just stand and watched.
Strawman. Nobody was "being" anything or needed a rescue at the time Antell went to his own vehicle to get his gun.
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Bradden fired a handgun twice, striking his wife’s ankle the second time, according to an arrest warrant.
Johnson told police she went into the Walgreens yelling for help.
Bradden ran to his truck after shooting at his wife’s feet, according to the arrest warrant. He told Army supervisors that a man ran up to him and told him to drop his gun.
Bradden confessed to slapping the gun out of the man’s hand and shooting him, according to the arrest warrant.
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Antell, who had a concealed-carry permit, had grabbed a gun from his car and pointed it at Bradden’s car, said Arlington police spokesman Christopher Cook. Witnesses told police the gunman shot Antell in the head.
Police said Antell’s wife was with him at the drugstore when he was shot.
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