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Old 05-28-2016, 08:13 AM
 
Location: louisville
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A tragic accident? Try negligence.
It's actually a bit of both. But people here will weigh in, pile on, as stated for their pet cause.

No matter what anonymous internet posters say, I'm willing to bet the family grief will far outweigh any, and all, judgements passed by others.
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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At 19, I was in combat.
And you had supervision.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Not arguing but pointing out 'negligent' laws and their silliness:

In Florida, and many other states, if someone illegally enters my pool, and drowns, while trespassing, I am held liable. Even if I have a fence/lanai and it is properly secured.

You did hit the nail on the head: it is a tragic accident and the family will suffer indefinitely. Yet people will use this (evidenced by this forum) for their pet cause du jour.
Here in Missouri, my agent said that the pool could have a locked cover, and if they broke into it and drowned, I would be liable.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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And you had supervision.
Not much in the jungle. If you couldn't do it on your own, your mother was not there to care for you.(quoting our sergeant)
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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When I go to the range, I follow the rules. This idiot did not follow safety rules and his daughter is dead. I trust my grandkids to not touch my gun, but I don't leave it laying out in the open when I leave the room.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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Not much in the jungle. If you couldn't do it on your own, your mother was not there to care for you.(quoting our sergeant)
You said, "sergeant," didn't you?
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:14 PM
 
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From what I could see in the article, in all the transitive sentences in which "shot" was the verb, the subject referred to a human being. I didn't see any indication that the gun raised itself up from the table, aimed, and fired at anyone.


I'm not beyond consideration that some kind of reckless endangerment and manslaughter charges should apply in such cases. At least whatever charges would apply if a child had drowned in an unsecured pool.
From what I gathered the gun was legally owned by a guy who will possibly be facing criminal charges for allowing it to happen, but this country has such a hodgepodged patch work of gun laws from state to state, county to county and municipality to municipality that it's hard to say. In areas with stricter gun laws it is a crime to keep loaded weapons unlocked if there are minor children in the household.
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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You said, "sergeant," didn't you?
Yep, I was in a hurry, so I misspelled it.
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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Yep, I was in a hurry, so I misspelled it.
I'm not talking about the spelling. I'm talking about the fact that you did have a sergeant.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:33 AM
 
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Gun didn't kill the girl, she was only being a curious kid, but here we have a negligent, sad father..
Well they DO go off by themselves sometimes I have read.... We cant forget those cases
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