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In response to your "blathering", I have one last thing to say on this topic of the importance of personal responsibility of young women for their own behavior.
Oh please. Life isn’t a gender studies class or a 'safe space'; it’s called the real world.
Nice response, you got called out and don't have a rebuttal.
And in the real world, men should also be held accountable for their actions and decisions.
Why can't I blame the victim for showing a complete lack of commonsense? Was he the first man to ever take advantage of a woman's inebriated state? There have been these situations for as long as there has been human beings consuming alcohol. Stop coddling these victims. They do need to take responsibility and not put themselves in vulnerable situations.
Maybe men should stop raping women who are in vulnerable positions. Maybe men who DO rape women should be locked up for lengthy sentences and not get a slap on the wrist to show that we are serious about not raping.
What we need to make sure we do is make sure that girls know
1. They aren't boys. boys and girls aren't playing the same game.
2. Men start out thinking lascivious thoughts.
3. I honestly don't think we are teaching that then we get shocked when bad things happen.
So they make these bathroom laws to prevent men from claiming trans to abuse women, but a man actually abuses/rapes a woman and they throw 6 months at 'em, what a joke.
So they make these bathroom laws to prevent men from claiming trans to abuse women, but a man actually abuses/rapes a woman and they throw 6 months at 'em, what a joke.
Not only that, they blame the woman being drunk. Huh. I wonder: if a woman is drunk in the bathroom & gets raped, will they blame her? What if she's sober?
No, you're doing everything possible to shift the focus off of the rapist and onto the victim.
In your blathering rants about how women need to be more responsible, you never once mention the men in this equation, especially the ones who cannot control their alcohol and do ridiculously stupid and harmful things. As I stated before, alcohol can be a motivator for people to do things that they may have only thought about doing.
What you're doing, by continually shifting the focus onto women and their alcohol intake, doesn't discouraging the behavior of men to engaging in non-consensual sexual acts with women, because nowhere in your posts are you holding men accountable for their decisions. If anything, it encourages men to believe they can get away with it and may discourage more women from reporting assaults, just because they believe they'll be shamed for being drunk during the assault.
Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that you are a woman, and if so, this is pretty appalling.
If she hadn't passed out completely drunk, she wouldn't have gotten "digitally penetrated" and much of her later mental distress is because everyone now knows of her stupidity. Between her being rescued and then being interviewed by the police and going through the legal system, everyone knows the consequences of her poor decisions that night.
Can you really say that she would have been raped had she not passed out? I honestly don't think that he would have. Maybe pawed at her, but certainly not forced entry into her vagina.
[quote]Oh boo-hoo. His reputation is ruined. He should've thought about that before he raped an unconscious woman he had no prior contact with, before running off like the guilty punk that he is. He made the decision to get wasted, not anyone else, and he made the decision to rape this girl, not anyone else.
Bleep his reputation. No one gave a rip about Brian Banks' reputation, but of course, he didn't look like a golden boy like poor Brock.
It sends a message to a POS like Brock Turner, that it doesn't matter if you're a golden boy from a good family and a "bright" future, there is no excuse for raping anyone. ['quote]
I think that you are jealous of this boy's previous status as a "golden boy". You are jealous that he was smart enough to get into Stanford and could have had the perfect life... shrug.
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No you don't. You have this faux sympathy for this girl, before you turn around and blame her for this. Once again, the accountability, the onus, is always on the woman in this situation and never on the man.
I hope God none of you have daughters.
No. It's not having "faux" sympathy. And had she been my daughter, I would be mad at her for going to a college party and getting so drunk. And when I was going to Brown University in the late 1970's, I knew better than to go to the keg parties at the frat houses. And I also, know that any compliments from a man at a party like that or at a night club was more an effort to get into my pants than actually wanting to get into a relationship with me and become my boyfriend or husband. I was also able to get backstage at many rock concerts in the 1980's. And since I stayed sober and drug-free at these gatherings, and no one ever tried to sexually assault me.
And back to chaperones... well the human brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25. The frontal cortex is the last to develop and that where the decision making process is. And it's why males before the age of 25 have such high auto insurance rates. Young men are prone to making bad impulsive decisions. Add to that, men are just more sexually motivated creatures than women. That's just a fact of life.
[quote=miu;44333000]If she hadn't passed out completely drunk, she wouldn't have gotten "digitally penetrated" and much of her later mental distress is because everyone now knows of her stupidity. Between her being rescued and then being interviewed by the police and going through the legal system, everyone knows the consequences of her poor decisions that night.
Can you really say that she would have been raped had she not passed out? I honestly don't think that he would have. Maybe pawed at her, but certainly not forced entry into her vagina.
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Oh boo-hoo. His reputation is ruined. He should've thought about that before he raped an unconscious woman he had no prior contact with, before running off like the guilty punk that he is. He made the decision to get wasted, not anyone else, and he made the decision to rape this girl, not anyone else.
Bleep his reputation. No one gave a rip about Brian Banks' reputation, but of course, he didn't look like a golden boy like poor Brock.
It sends a message to a POS like Brock Turner, that it doesn't matter if you're a golden boy from a good family and a "bright" future, there is no excuse for raping anyone. ['quote]
I think that you are jealous of this boy's previous status as a "golden boy". You are jealous that he was smart enough to get into Stanford and could have had the perfect life... shrug.
No. It's not having "faux" sympathy. And had she been my daughter, I would be mad at her for going to a college party and getting so drunk. And when I was going to Brown University in the late 1970's, I knew better than to go to the keg parties at the frat houses. And I also, know that any compliments from a man at a party like that or at a night club was more an effort to get into my pants than actually wanting to get into a relationship with me and become my boyfriend or husband. I was also able to get backstage at many rock concerts in the 1980's. And since I stayed sober and drug-free at these gatherings, and no one ever tried to sexually assault me.
And back to chaperones... well the human brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25. The frontal cortex is the last to develop and that where the decision making process is. And it's why males before the age of 25 have such high auto insurance rates. Young men are prone to making bad impulsive decisions. Add to that, men are just more sexually motivated creatures than women. That's just a fact of life.
Yeah, we can say she would've been raped if she were sober. Happens all the time. Now, when will you wise up & lay the blame on the perpetrator? Is it really that difficult?
Maybe men should stop raping women who are in vulnerable positions. Maybe men who DO rape women should be locked up for lengthy sentences and not get a slap on the wrist to show that we are serious about not raping.
The victim did not break the law, the rapist DID.
Again. If she hadn't gotten drunk and passed out, he wouldn't have tried to have sex with her. She IS partially to blame for the situation.
Passing out drunk is ALWAYS a stupid thing to do. She could have passed out drunk by herself and a complete stranger could have raped her, or at the very least robbed her.
[quote=miu;44333000]If she hadn't passed out completely drunk, she wouldn't have gotten "digitally penetrated" and much of her later mental distress is because everyone now knows of her stupidity. Between her being rescued and then being interviewed by the police and going through the legal system, everyone knows the consequences of her poor decisions that night.
Can you really say that she would have been raped had she not passed out? I honestly don't think that he would have. Maybe pawed at her, but certainly not forced entry into her vagina.
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Oh boo-hoo. His reputation is ruined. He should've thought about that before he raped an unconscious woman he had no prior contact with, before running off like the guilty punk that he is. He made the decision to get wasted, not anyone else, and he made the decision to rape this girl, not anyone else.
Bleep his reputation. No one gave a rip about Brian Banks' reputation, but of course, he didn't look like a golden boy like poor Brock.
It sends a message to a POS like Brock Turner, that it doesn't matter if you're a golden boy from a good family and a "bright" future, there is no excuse for raping anyone. ['quote]
I think that you are jealous of this boy's previous status as a "golden boy". You are jealous that he was smart enough to get into Stanford and could have had the perfect life... shrug.
No. It's not having "faux" sympathy. And had she been my daughter, I would be mad at her for going to a college party and getting so drunk. And when I was going to Brown University in the late 1970's, I knew better than to go to the keg parties at the frat houses. And I also, know that any compliments from a man at a party like that or at a night club was more an effort to get into my pants than actually wanting to get into a relationship with me and become my boyfriend or husband. I was also able to get backstage at many rock concerts in the 1980's. And since I stayed sober and drug-free at these gatherings, and no one ever tried to sexually assault me.
And back to chaperones... well the human brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25. The frontal cortex is the last to develop and that where the decision making process is. And it's why males before the age of 25 have such high auto insurance rates. Young men are prone to making bad impulsive decisions. Add to that, men are just more sexually motivated creatures than women. That's just a fact of life.
I work with rape victims.
What do I say to the ones who "stayed sober and drug-free" who were still assaulted?
No woman should have to pay for any young man's underdeveloped frontal lobe. That's garbage.
I'm also appalled that you think you know why she's upset.
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