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Old 03-26-2008, 08:58 AM
 
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Boy, this is a great way to distract from the original point and question. You can twist my words and play semantics all day long, it doesn't matter to me. I never mentioned Ford, so get off it already. Truman and LBJ were elected President ONCE each and were NOT re-elected President. They merely finished out the terms of the Presidents who died in office while they were VP. You can't twist history to suit your needs.
Your semantics discounts the fact that they were two consecutive terms with a Democrat as POTUS.
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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So, is mainstream America Republican?
To the degree that Republicans are true to any principles at all in the wake of the way the party has squandered its dwindling time in power, there remains a widespread resonance in America for the virtues of a judicious fiscal policy, the preservation of traditional views on the topics of family, self-reliance and patriotism, and a robust approach to national defense.

The problem, aside from the abuses of power by many in recent GOP leadership positions, has been the abdication of Republican support for real compassion and fair dealings with the disadvantaged, which have been co-opted by the DNC and used effectively as wedge issues to divide and sow dissension among groups and classes of people, to create scapegoats, victims, and victimizers, and to balkanize the Amerian public.

This is an environment conducive to the growth of socialism and the federal management of broader and broader swaths of our public and private lives. It is also an environment which is toxic to even moderately right-of-center politicians, who have been largely eradicated from the Democrat party, and who cling to the flotsam of the GOP like mewling kittens.

There is indeed a substantial strain of Republicanism in mainstream America, but it is in danger of becoming overwhelmed by a resurgence of its enemies, in the absence of articulate and earnest spokespersons.
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Old 03-26-2008, 01:32 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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To the degree that Republicans are true to any principles at all in the wake of the way the party has squandered its dwindling time in power, there remains a widespread resonance in America for the virtues of a judicious fiscal policy, the preservation of traditional views on the topics of family, self-reliance and patriotism, and a robust approach to national defense.

The problem, aside from the abuses of power by many in recent GOP leadership positions, has been the abdication of Republican support for real compassion and fair dealings with the disadvantaged, which have been co-opted by the DNC and used effectively as wedge issues to divide and sow dissension among groups and classes of people, to create scapegoats, victims, and victimizers, and to balkanize the Amerian public.

This is an environment conducive to the growth of socialism and the federal management of broader and broader swaths of our public and private lives. It is also an environment which is toxic to even moderately right-of-center politicians, who have been largely eradicated from the Democrat party, and who cling to the flotsam of the GOP like mewling kittens.

There is indeed a substantial strain of Republicanism in mainstream America, but it is in danger of becoming overwhelmed by a resurgence of its enemies, in the absence of articulate and earnest spokespersons.
Don't agree with you on all of this - though some of it clearly true - but all of it is well presented.

Ken
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Flyover country
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There are rural areas where Democrats outnumber Republicans (southwestern PA and Northern WV),but I wouldn't call these areas liberal in the way San Francisco and New York City are either. They are blue collar and do vote Republican sometimes,but tend to vote Democrat more (I think a lot of it has to do with pro-union sentiment) . Many people in the area also feel the Republican administration has overlooked this region,which may explain some of the sentiments as well.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:09 AM
 
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The problem, aside from the abuses of power by many in recent GOP leadership positions, has been the abdication of Republican support for real compassion and fair dealings with the disadvantaged, which have been co-opted by the DNC and used effectively as wedge issues to divide and sow dissension among groups and classes of people, to create scapegoats, victims, and victimizers, and to balkanize the Amerian public.
1) Wedge issues are matters of little real importance. Things like what a homeosexual couple does in the confines of their private home. The plight of the disadavantage is a REAL issue.

2) "scapegoats, victims, and victimizers" is a caricture of the beliefs of liberals.

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This is an environment conducive to the growth of socialism and the federal management of broader and broader swaths of our public and private lives. It is also an environment which is toxic to even moderately right-of-center politicians, who have been largely eradicated from the Democrat party, and who cling to the flotsam of the GOP like mewling kittens.
A little hard to believe. All parties have moved to the right. The mainstream Democratic party is a little right of center. (If recent history is the judge.)
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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1) Wedge issues are matters of little real importance. Things like what a homeosexual couple does in the confines of their private home. The plight of the disadavantage is a REAL issue.

2) "scapegoats, victims, and victimizers" is a caricture of the beliefs of liberals.



A little hard to believe. All parties have moved to the right. The mainstream Democratic party is a little right of center. (If recent history is the judge.)
You have your views, I have mine. The facility with which babies are aborted, the willingness to suspend even rudimentary standards of taste and judgement in our educational institutions as arbitrary and prescriptive, and the increasingly shrill efforts to eradicate our spiritual and cultural tradition from the public conversation, among other contemporary phenomena, tend to call your conclusions into question.

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Old 03-28-2008, 04:30 AM
 
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You have your views, I have mine. The facility with which babies are aborted, the willingness to suspend even rudimentary standards of taste and judgement in our educational institutions as arbitrary and prescriptive, and the increasingly shrill efforts to eradicate our spiritual and cultural tradition from the public conversation, among other contemporary phenomena, tend to call your conclusions into question.

Almost all of your response are extreme caricatures of liberal positions, the type of definition only a anti-liberal would make. Real liberals don't take those positions.

It's like drawing a picture of someone with big feet, but making their feet a size 14 rather than the size 10 that they really are.

If you want liberals to define themselves, why not take the word of a liberal rather than third party definitions of a liberal defined by those who don't like liberals.
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Fly-over country.
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It's fair to say "conservative" but that can be Democrat or Republican. For example, some Democrats in the South are more conservative on social matters, and even some fiscal or national security matters, than Republicans in the NE or NW.

I'll vote for the guy who promises the least. I figure the more promises someone makes, the more of my money they are going to give to someone who I don't think deserves it.
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Almost all of your response are extreme caricatures of liberal positions, the type of definition only a anti-liberal would make. Real liberals don't take those positions.

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Oh, we see. You represent the anti-abortion, pre-post-modernist, anti-ACLU liberals. The real liberals.

Excuse me for thinking you work solo.
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Old 03-29-2008, 04:36 PM
 
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Oh, we see. You represent the anti-abortion, pre-post-modernist, anti-ACLU liberals. The real liberals.

Excuse me for thinking you work solo.
I represent myself and do not presume to define the positions of my political opposition. (Because it is dishonest to do so.)
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