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You're completely missing the point. If Jerry Miculek can train himself to shoot a revolver that fast, then anyone can learn to do the same thing a bit more slowly. They may not be as fast as Jerry, but I'd bet anything you care to wager that Jerry Miculek could have outshot Omar Mateen by miles in his sleep. Mateen had about 3 hours -- a fact that I'm still extremely puzzled by. Why didn't the police enter the building much much much sooner?? With that much time, you can kill a lot of people with just about any gun. Doesn't even need to be a gun. A machette could have killed 50 people given that much time to work with.
In each of these cases, a lot more than 50 people died very quickly. Calling the what happened in the Orlando night club "the largest mass-shooting/mass-killing in American history" is blatantly dishonest. Truth is there are a lot fewer mass-murders and mass-killings these days. Fact is, there was so much murder and mass-killing going on pre-1900 that we can only estimate how bad it was -- all done with old school weapons. Some was massacring Native Americans, a whole lot was massacring other people. It actually seems counter-intuitive that the murder rate actually went down as the technology for killing got better and better.
The above graph is based on per 100,000 people.
These massacres were all committed by rather large groups of people sometimes at regiment size and most happened during wartime. This is in no way comparable to what we saw last weekend. You are comparing apples to tomatoes. Also keep in mind how many more people would have been killed had those raiding parties all had assault rifles.
I don't think many will turn in their AR15s if banned. I doubt they will ban them at least with this congress. After Nov if it all goes to crap and the liberals take it anything is possible. I think if they do a ban they will grandfather in many guns. They may put them under the NFA.
bans don't mean "turn them in" which is hilarious that the paranoid gun grabbers think that.
Yes same effectiveness as the M16 in semi-automatic according to Sullivan who designed the AR15
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JIM SULLIVAN: “Same effectiveness. Same– I mean– in fact, the– the gun is functioning exactly the way– the military model is– in semi-automatic. It’s– and– it’s left up to if you– what the twist of the rifling is and the– and the– the length of the barrel. That’s it.†The exchange above was included in the piece almost verbatim, with edits only for brevity, as follows:
So you think semi automatic and fully automatic are equally dangerous?
And since these semi automatic rifles are used in less than 5% of murders that would mean fully automatic rifles are less dangerious than handguns and thus should be completly legal since a handgun has been found constitutional protected and no government need can be justified to ban something that is less dangerious than another gun that has already found to be constitutionally protected.
So you think semi automatic and fully automatic are equally dangerous?
And since these semi automatic rifles are used in less than 5% of murders that would mean fully automatic rifles are less dangerious than handguns and thus should be completly legal since a handgun has been found constitutional protected and no government need can be justified to ban something that is less dangerious than another gun that has already found to be constitutionally protected.
Yes fully automatic and Semi-automatic are fairly close, 20 round clip what's the difference?
Yes they are used in a small percentage of crimes but a rather large part of events like last week, so.
Do you think that the AR-15 is as lethal as the M16?
Yes fully automatic and Semi-automatic are fairly close, 20 round clip what's the difference?
Yes they are used in a small percentage of crimes but a rather large part of events like last week, so.
Do you think that the AR-15 is as lethal as the M16?
For the love of God and these conversations please quit saying clip.
These massacres were all committed by rather large groups of people sometimes at regiment size and most happened during wartime. This is in no way comparable to what we saw last weekend. You are comparing apples to tomatoes. Also keep in mind how many more people would have been killed had those raiding parties all had assault rifles.
When you wipe out an entire village of Natives, you can't actually kill more of them. They're all dead. And again, you're completely missing the point. Mass-murders are vastly less common in America today than they were in the 1800's. Americans aren't killing each other at the same insane rates -- better guns notwithstanding -- that we used to be. I'd say that's a very good thing, wouldn't you?
You did claim that people weren't being massacred in such large numbers in the 1800's. Actually they were and it was happening lot more often than today. It is also quite significant that the mass-murderers of the 1800's were getting awarded Congressional Medals of Honor rather than being shot by the police for their trouble. Also bear in mind that's honestly the best I could do on short notice with nothing but a few Google searches and the like. It is almost certain that many individuals have killed a lot more than 50 people in under three hours with much more primitive weapons on numerous occasions throughout history -- but you try finding that on a Google search. To make matters worse, prior to 1900, history and events weren't always accurately reported.
Underlying Points: The human race has never been more capable of mass-murder than it is today. But ... murder and mass-killing have never been less common in human history than it is today. Fun times, no?
Do you think that the IRS needs AR-15s? If you ban the AR-15 from individual ownership, do you believe that the IRS should also have their AR-15 guns confiscated?
Why should a government, established by and for the people, be MORE entitled to gun ownership than the Citizens who are guaranteed the right to gun ownership under the Constitution??
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