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Old 07-04-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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LOL! Those centers are procedure specific, not gender specific.

Besides, men are treated at PP clinics also.
Men get surgical abortions at PP clinics? Please cite proof of that.

Look, either women have a 14th Amendment Constitutional right to the protection of state medical and facilities standards for medical surgery facilities equal to that of men, or they don't. SCOTUS has ruled that women, specifically, DON'T have that Constitutional right.

Stripping women but not men of Constitutional rights is a horrible legal precedent set by SCOTUS, but one with which we'll all now have to live.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:12 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Men get surgical abortions at PP clinics? Please cite proof of that.

Look, either women have a 14th Amendment Constitutional right to the protection of state medical and facilities standards for medical surgery facilities equal to that of men, or they don't. SCOTUS has ruled that women, specifically, DON'T have that Constitutional right.

Stripping women but not men of Constitutional rights is a horrible legal precedent set by SCOTUS, but one with which we'll all now have to live.
Look silly pants. You aren't the arbiter of constitutionality, send your argument to the Supreme Court if you feel so strongly about it.

Otherwise you are wrong until proven right.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:24 PM
 
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Look silly pants. You aren't the arbiter of constitutionality
Don't need to be. Read the relevant parts of the 10th and 14th Amendments yourself, respectively:

States' right to legislate medical and facilities standards: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Women's right to equal protection: No state shall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The SCOTUS ruling violates both Amendments, which is also a violation of the Oath the SCOTUS Justices swore before they were permitted to execute the duties of their appointed office:

"I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Don't need to be. Read the relevant parts of the 10th and 14th Amendments yourself, respectively:

States' right to legislate medical and facilities standards: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Women's right to equal protection: No state shall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The SCOTUS ruling violates both Amendments, which is also a violation of the Oath the SCOTUS Justices swore before they were permitted to execute the duties of their appointed office:

"I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."
Blocking women's access to abortion discriminates against them and denies them equal protection of the laws.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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Don't need to be. Read the relevant parts of the 10th and 14th Amendments yourself, respectively:

States' right to legislate medical and facilities standards: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Women's right to equal protection: No state shall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The SCOTUS ruling violates both Amendments, which is also a violation of the Oath the SCOTUS Justices swore before they were permitted to execute the duties of their appointed office:

"I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."
So send that post to the Supreme Court then silly. The Constitiution doesn't give you power to determine constitutionality.

Lolololololololololololololololz
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:51 PM
 
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Blocking women's access to abortion discriminates against them and denies them equal protection of the laws.
Nothing was being blocked. TX, as is its Constitutional right, merely set the same medical and facilities standards for facilities that performed ambulatory surgical procedures on women as it did for ambulatory surgery facilities that perform surgical procedures on men.

That's no different than TX (and every other state) licensing doctors. They license abortion doctors just like they license any other surgeon in their state.

Like I said, this ruling sets the horrible legal precedent of violating states' 10th Amendment rights, and women's 14th Amendment right to the equal protection of state laws.

What many of you should be asking yourselves is why you think it's OK to force women to accept lower medical standards than those which protect men.
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Old 07-04-2016, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Nothing was being blocked. TX, as is its Constitutional right, merely set the same medical and facilities standards for facilities that performed ambulatory surgical procedures on women as it did for ambulatory surgery facilities that perform surgical procedures on men.

That's no different than TX (and every other state) licensing doctors. They license abortion doctors just like they license any other surgeon in their state.

Like I said, this ruling sets the horrible legal precedent of violating states' 10th Amendment rights, and women's 14th Amendment right to the equal protection of state laws.

What many of you should be asking yourselves is why you think it's OK to force women to accept lower medical standards than those which protect men.
Even the state attorney had to agree that it prevented some women from being able to get abortions. It did indeed block access, mostly for poor women who could not afford to travel long distances to clinics that were still open.

Your argument is akin to suggesting that someone who wants to move should hire a semi trailer when all his possessions would fit in a U Haul truck. Some of the regulations for surgery centers are excessive and unnecessary when applied to abortion clinics. That is proved by the fact that serious complications were extremely rare under previous regulations.

Texas lost the case because it could not show that requiring abortion clinics to be surgery centers would benefit a single woman, and it could not show that making doctors have admitting privileges would improve treatment of complications, since there had been no complications needing admission and abortion related deaths were rare.

The only standards needed for abortion centers are those crafted specifically for abortion centers. That and enforcement of those standards will provide all the protection women seeking abortion need.
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Old 07-04-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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What many of you should be asking yourselves is why you think it's OK to force women to accept lower medical standards than those which protect men.
Do you use the services of abortion clinics so frequently that you now feel your constitutional rights are being violated?
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Old 07-05-2016, 03:44 AM
 
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Even the state attorney had to agree that it prevented some women from being able to get abortions.
Guess what? Licensing doctors prevents some people from being able to get medical care, too. There are some pretty remote areas in TX, and some people have to travel pretty far to reach a state-licensed doctor. Should SCOTUS strike down licensing MDs, too?

That's how absurdly ridiculous that line of reasoning is.

What ever happened to critical thinking skills? /SMH
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Old 07-05-2016, 03:47 AM
 
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Do you use the services of abortion clinics so frequently that you now feel your constitutional rights are being violated?
Any woman who is forced to use substandard facilities has had their 14th Amendment right violated.

Why are you advocating the unequal treatment of women? Why are you advocating that women be stripped of their 14th Amendment right to equal protection? Is it your opinion that women deserve lesser quality medical care and facilities than men?
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