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This sounds like a story built up to describe the exact OPPOSITE of what's really happening. The Chinese are coming here and investing here in droves. Hey, I guess if it worked with global warming....
Now tell us that wages are going up and health care costs are going down.
Like here on CDF: the "report" feature on FB usually works well.
I'm an older dude and; I get "Friend Requests" from much younger women. If I don't know that person, I hit "Delete" between I'm NOT into stuff young enough to be my kid and, probably 100 percent of those pages are scammers.
I'm not talking about "friend requests" either. Just random IMs of d**k pics and nasty comments. Everyone knows that FB has a reporting process. I doubt you get random naked pictures of women in your inbox on FB.
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As aside, this mess with the costs of pregnancy in the US is a huge deterrent to intelligent couples having babies at all, because they see how they can get wiped out financially from having kids. Not sure if yall were talking about this, but the WSJ and all kinds of other journals are freaking about how the US now has the lowest birth rate in history and it keeps going lower. They wonder why, well guess what, if people are afraid they're gonna get a $150,000 medical bill for their kid even if they're insured, that's a big reason they're gonna get nervous about having kids.
I don't know what the big sociological message here is in comparing the countries, but I guess it's just a difference in motivation. Even though China's ancient they're returning to superpower status, so they're motivated to support their human capital, and to bring in and reward the top talent. I feel like in some ways it's actually more socially mobile in China now, every time I come back to visit the US, seems like the dim-bulbed morons from H.S. are the ones with the good jobs because Daddy and Mommy pulled strings for them, while all the hard workers without the prior connections are frozen out because they didn't come from the right families. In the US it seems like the system is so stacked to favor established interests and special interests nowadays, it's like they'll crush you if you don't already have an inside track or know what butt to kiss, so it wastes human capital all over the place.
My gf and I were both celebrated as best of the best when we were students, I was a finalist at the Intel science talent search, working hard and developing my own systems in the institutions I was working in, graduated Ivy League, did all the right internships and post-docs. My pay sucked for a while but I could have dealt with that if there was light at the end of the tunnel. But it seemed like no matter how much we accomplished or good work we did, the organization would take credit for our hard work, never raise our pay while our living expenses kept going up, and then just when we thought we were ready to use our experience and accomplishments to find better paying work, we were told we had to do some other damn training period at crappy pay, despite having doctorates and years worth of demonstrated achievement. It's like in the US hard work and human capital just aren't valued a whole lot anymore unless you got insider connections, or work in the financial industry.
Even that I guess we could have tolerated, hoping to build up more experience in the US and string together our savings. But what we absolutely 100% cannot tolerate, is being told that even after supposedly doing all the right things and keeping our nose clean, that we still don't have even a basic guarantee of healthcare in the US without the real risk of going broke, especially when we decide to have a kid. Seriously WTF??? Every time my damn training grants or the organization I was working for shifted over, suddenly I lost my healthcare and had to fret and sweat about what would happen if me or my gf got sick or hurt in the in-between period. And then even with insurance the ER can still dump you with a $10K medical bill if you or your kid has to get a few stitches. I guess I didn't think about it so much then, but especially now with a potential family on the way it's like playing Russian roulette with healthcare if you live in the US. So here we are, supposedly the top STEM talent that guys like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are always whining to Congress that the USA needs more of, we're born and raised Americans and we're right here ready to contribute-- and yet we're supposed to keep our heads down for low pay AND we have to fret about having our entire savings wiped out if we get sick or have a kid?
No thanks, sorry. Even with China's imperfections it's clear they value human talent and capital there, they pay you well for what you know and can do, for your wealth of knowledge and experience and they sure as hell don't force you to go broke from some BS medical bill. The culture's a lot like Germany that way like I said, a reverence for people who are scholarly and learned and can add intellectual capital. That's the real reason America's going down the tubes, more and more it treats its talent like it's expendable, so we go to places where we're better valued. The same reason people go anywhere.
The ACA actually provides a lot of protections in regards to stopping the fleecing of people getting huge medical bills. Most plans today have a maximum deduction of $12,500 meaning once you meet that amount, the insurance will pay for everything else after that.
So the $100k plus bills of the past are not happening today. And it especially wasn't happening even pre-ACA for pregnancies of "intelligent" people who had health insurance unless they were not very intelligent and had a crappy plan. If someone is "intelligent" and had a job that provided them health insurance that covered pregnancy then they would never get a medical bill over $100k for a complicated pregnancy or birth.
I do agree though that people shouldn't have to worry about healthcare here in the US which is why my main "left" leaning stance is Universal Healthcare. I think it is ridiculous that we don't have it in America and that it would help the economy by shifting the burden of paying for healthcare off of employers (who pay the brunt of the premiums for their employees) so they would be able to hire more people or put more money back into their businesses.
This sounds like a story built up to describe the exact OPPOSITE of what's really happening. The Chinese are coming here and investing here in droves. Hey, I guess if it worked with global warming....
Now tell us that wages are going up and health care costs are going down.
Not anymore, there's a ton of reverse (reversing?) migration of Chinese from America back to China, and of non-Chinese there. The ones who go back to China are so numerous they have a name for them, used to know but can't recall off top of my head-- they've stayed awhile abroad then back home. There are tons of Chinese who come to the USA to study in college, but this isn't new or unique to China either. Chinese are also by far the top foreign student group in Germany, France, Russia, Holland, Switzerland, Japan, Italy, now more and more in South America too. And this has been going on for a while. But unsurprisingly the vast majority of the students return after their studies, it's just a showing of Chinese curiosity about the broader world. That's why the Chinese immigration figures can be confusing, the student numbers skew to very high figures and are heavily weighted to short stays. Whereas other immigrant groups from for ex. Somalia, Syria, Afghanistan, Mexico and Venezuela are much more likely to stay permanently in the USA, since they often don't have much of a home to go back to. And in some professions, sounds like research science is one of them, they can make a lot more money in China and enjoy lower cost of living and good healthcare, so it makes total sense for not only Chinese but non Chinese to jup at the chance to go to China for such opportunities.
I'm not even Asian and I'm considering moving to somewhere in southeast Asia. I work remotely most of the time and my work is fine with me living anywhere I please so long as I get my work done and make it to meetings (all done online now), so why not? Healthcare is getting ridiculous, as is the cost of housing and raising a child in America. There are lots of American and European expatriates who moved to Asia due to significantly lower cost of living. As more Americans and Europeans telecommute, more are finding what a good deal it is to move to a lower cost of living country. I'm looking into some nice expatriate communities in several countries which would ease our transition into a new country and culture.
The only beneficiaries of race based affirmative action are blacks, hispanics, and native Americans. Being Asian does not advantage you in any way with regards to these policies as evidenced by this fellows experience.
There are a lot of reasons why people leave America but in the case of Asians returning to Asia it generally has to do with a sense of caution with what is happening in western societies politically and economically.
Don't forget that these are people whose parents or grandparents fled some sort of socialist/communist dictatorship or kleptocracy in their home countries and are extremely wary of such forces becoming empowered in any country they have moved to.
My cousin chose to send the kids to college in Singapore after looking at what is going on at universities in the US. Another cousin is moving back. Of course they grew up in Asia and speak the language.
I grew up here, speak only English, am a US citizen and Army vet, and part of that basket of deplorabless who has an AR15 and NRA lifetime membership so I'm not going anywhere.
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I don't know what the big sociological message here is in comparing the countries, but I guess it's just a difference in motivation. Even though China's ancient they're returning to superpower status, so they're motivated to support their human capital, and to bring in and reward the top talent. I feel like in some ways it's actually more socially mobile in China now, every time I come back to visit the US, seems like the dim-bulbed morons from H.S. are the ones with the good jobs because Daddy and Mommy pulled strings for them, while all the hard workers without the prior connections are frozen out because they didn't come from the right families. In the US it seems like the system is so stacked to favor established interests and special interests nowadays, it's like they'll crush you if you don't already have an inside track or know what butt to kiss, so it wastes human capital all over the place.
Well, that's interesting. I think that also exists in China, even more so. Your mileage may vary.
The father of one of my daughter's friends is a Tsinghua graduate & has a PHD from the University of Illinois. He is a physicist by training working for a major research lab in California. We asked if he's ever considered returning to China for professional advancement, and he said yes, but given that his field is very niche, he found that he didn't have the right "connections" to work for something equivalent back in Beijing. Yes, he said that as a Tsinghua guy! So he felt he was better off in the US.
And actually, a lot of "haigui" felt cut off from the networks that are so important to getting ahead in China that they felt they were either better off overseas.
The only beneficiaries of race based affirmative action are blacks, hispanics, and native Americans. Being Asian does not advantage you in any way with regards to these policies as evidenced by this fellows experience.
There are a lot of reasons why people leave America but in the case of Asians returning to Asia it generally has to do with a sense of caution with what is happening in western societies politically and economically.
Don't forget that these are people whose parents or grandparents fled some sort of socialist/communist dictatorship or kleptocracy in their home countries and are extremely wary of such forces becoming empowered in any country they have moved to.
My cousin chose to send the kids to college in Singapore after looking at what is going on at universities in the US. Another cousin is moving back. Of course they grew up in Asia and speak the language.
I grew up here, speak only English, am a US citizen and Army vet, and part of that basket of deplorabless who has an AR15 and NRA lifetime membership so I'm not going anywhere.
The subject of your link has been debunked numerous times.
Asian Americans do benefit from affirmative action in the employment sector. And contrary it seems to what many people believe, there are no black, Latino, or Native American students getting into medical school with failing or subpar grades.
The subject of your link has been debunked numerous times.
Asian Americans do benefit from affirmative action in the employment sector. And contrary it seems to what many people believe, there are no black, Latino, or Native American students getting into medical school with failing or subpar grades.
Here's how I look at it, and most minorities think the same way I do. Right-Wing Whites like to use Asians as a battering ram towards blacks and Latinos for their own selfish reasons, and then discard them when their usefulness has ended but not until reminding them that they are "second place" and better know it.
Here's how I look at it, and most minorities think the same way I do. Right-Wing Whites like to use Asians as a battering ram towards blacks and Latinos for their own selfish reasons, and then discard them when their usefulness has ended but not until reminding them that they are "second place" and better know it.
Like this dude? He's be counted as a "person of color" in 2016.
Wow, never learned about this guy in school but he seems like the kind of guy that would have made the Mafia seem like a bunch of sweet kids in Little League. Pure Machiavellian. Would not have wanted to be on his bad side!
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