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Old 07-05-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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I don't understand the point of the question. You can only trust people who you know something about (rules out complete strangers) and even then it's your choice to risk it or not.

If this is related to gun control, it doesn't matter if you trust someone with a weapon or not. Let's say you don't trust them...does that make it okay to disarm them? Anyone can mistrust anyone else, so that's no criteria to take away someone's means of defense.

Again, I'm not sure that's where you're going here, but I don't see any reason to ask the question.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Unless you know or know of that individual, how can you trust them on anything much less a gun?
Good point. But I'm not armed, so an armed person has an unequal advantage at range.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: louisville
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I'm a historian by trade, so yeah, I'm familiar with the concept of civilian militias raised to protect the local settlements in lieu of a standing army. Why do you bring that up?

And it is my business, because having armed people around who are of doubtful trustworthiness is a problem.
Since you are making snap judgements, why should I trust an OPANA user?
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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I'm a historian by trade, so yeah, I'm familiar with the concept of civilian militias raised to protect the local settlements in lieu of a standing army. Why do you bring that up?

And it is my business, because having armed people around who are of doubtful trustworthiness is a problem.
because said carrier already went through a vetting process to purchase the firearm as well as applied for a permit with the local town or county he/she lives in.

The better question is, who are YOU?

nobody.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I don't understand the point of the question. You can only trust people who you know something about (rules out complete strangers) and even then it's your choice to risk it or not.

If this is related to gun control, it doesn't matter if you trust someone with a weapon or not. Let's say you don't trust them...does that make it okay to disarm them? Again, I'm not sure that's where you're going here, but I don't see any reason to ask the question.
Of course you don't.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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To keep down some of the inevitable posts by knee-jerk folks, I have been an owner and a shoot since 1965. I'm retired Navy with a good deal of trigger time. I still shoot at a local range, as does my wife. Now, I hope we can carry on...

It's a simple question: How do I know I can trust you with that gun you're carrying?
How can we trust you? Louisiana Hwy 90 is undivided.
How can I trust that oncoming traffic stays in their lane and doesn't hit me head-on?
Honestly, it's a silly thread.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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To keep down some of the inevitable posts by knee-jerk folks, I have been an owner and a shoot since 1965. I'm retired Navy with a good deal of trigger time. I still shoot at a local range, as does my wife. Now, I hope we can carry on...

It's a simple question: How do I know I can trust you with that gun you're carrying?
Yes with proper training and Licensing.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:07 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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because said carrier already went through a vetting process to purchase the firearm as well as applied for a permit with the local town or county he/she lives in.

The better question is, who are YOU?

nobody.
The vetting process says, "They're not dangerous right now."
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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to the OP, I suggest you stay in your home and never leave it. You are likely to be killed walking or driving on any given street/highway - completely surrounded by people you don't trust.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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It's a simple question: How do I know I can trust you with that gun you're carrying?
10 things non-gun people should know about CCW holders.

1. We don’t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don’t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don’t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don’t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.

2. We don’t think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren’t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don’t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don’t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extrordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.

3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or “rage” incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don’t pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.

4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other secuity measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.

5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.

6. We do not believe in the concept of “accidental discharges”. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun “going off” was the result of negligence on somebody’s part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.

7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times with an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel to need to take action. Please recognize that it’s very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don’t generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like “there’s a guy running around in the store with a gun” or even simply “I saw a man with a gun in the store” could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.

8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.

9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.

10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don’t believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.
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