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Old 07-07-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Fish & Chips View Post
I'm not American, but isn't the U.S. supposed to be a place that encourages social mobility?

Provided that admission requirements are amended to increase the likelihood that applicants would be capable, dedicated and determined to succeed, proposals to make public universities tuition-free or more affordable seem rather reasonable.

How will an ambitious person from a lower socioeconomic background improve their circumstances when post-secondary education is inaccessible due to costs?
This post is entirely too sensible for this thread.

I happen to agree with everything you said, but I am also old enough to remember when CUNY was free and know how much that benefited students from low income households, many of whom went on to be some of our country's most productive citizens.

So...
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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Where in the Constitution does it state that the government is required to pay for everyone's college? Because the government IS required to spend money on defense.
The government is required to spend money to protect our borders.
They are not required to spend money propping up congressional districts with jobs programs for defense contractors.

There are tanks, etc. sitting in storage that will never be used.
It is way past time for this country to get its priorities in order.

Anyone who believes that an educated populace is not necessary for defense is lacking some critical thinking skills.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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How does that relate to what I said?
You know how. I even explain it in the next reply.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:47 AM
 
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So the people who have already paid or pay most of the taxxes get nothing?
Me, me, me, me.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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Why should college be free? I was paying off student loans into my 30s
What you paid for college has no bearing whatsoever on whether college should be free.

This crab-bucket mentality reminds me of small children, where one always complains when the other gets "more toys."
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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This is who gets free tuition under Hillary Clinton's college plan - Jul. 6, 2016

"Low- and middle-income students would pay nothing for tuition at in-state public colleges under a new part of her college affordability plan unveiled Wednesday.

Any student whose family earns $85,000 or less would be eligible at first. The income level would go up by $10,000 each year until 2021, when anyone whose family makes $125,000 a year or less would go tuition-free.
That would cover more than 80% of all families, the Clinton campaign said."


so we get Bernie's socialist policies anyway, but get stuck with her.
Any "college affordability plan" has to address the problem of rising tuition.

I don't see where this does so.

I also question its funding mechanism. This sounds to me like a proposal that Hillary Clinton knows will never pass Congress, which makes it a safe "anti-Wall Street" proposal. She gets to pretend that she isn't owned by the banks, while not actually proposing anything that would ever realistically take away their special treatment.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:02 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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there is no such thing as free. somewhere down the line, taxpayers will pick up the tab for the supposed free tuition.
if hilary is really serious about free tuition, then she would make it so no taxpayer shall ever pick up the tab for free tuition.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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if hilary is really serious about free tuition, then she would make it so no taxpayer shall ever pick up the tab for free tuition.
"Free Tuition" means "Free to the student", not "Free to the taxpayer."
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It does for those who work for it and earn it. I should know. Started with nothing. My spouse and I lived in a dive Chicago apartment that only heated up to 59 degrees in the winter. We are significantly better off than that now.
LOL "only 59" poor baby.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:06 AM
 
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Any "college affordability plan" has to address the problem of rising tuition.

I don't see where this does so.
You cant just give something away that is "un-affordable" to the general public since that is who you are asking to pay for it via taxes. Its still not affordable and its still not going to fix the cost problem.

I am certain that once tuition becomes free you will just see room and board prices skyrocket and probably see creative ways for schools to keep students enrolled longer like through 5 year programs and just making it harder to pass classes in general, the latter might be a good thing but you still get the point. These schools know full well how much money they can extract from students and families so once the government picks up the slack not only will the schools still get that money, but they will get even more from students through other means.

Fix the root cause don't just stick a band-aid on a shotgun wound.
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