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Old 07-26-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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An airplane just flew around the world nonstop with nothing but solar and wind power.
Really? I don't think so.
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Old 07-26-2016, 03:17 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Really? I don't think so.
Actually it did (with a lot of setbacks):

Sun-Powered Airplane Completes Historic Trip Around The World : The Two-Way : NPR
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Old 07-26-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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When was the definition of nonstop changed?
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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When was the definition of nonstop changed?
When the stop was added in the middle.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:25 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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When the stop was added in the middle.
There were a number of planned stops, doesn't take anything away from what they did.

If the Luddites were listened to we'd still be riding horses as our main transportation and taking sailing ships to Europe instead of jets.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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There were a number of planned stops, doesn't take anything away from what they did.

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My comment was more in jest. The person that said non stop was just repeating a catch phrase the other person gave crap back and so I said what I did.

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Old 08-01-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Anyone that thinks horses are "Green" should visit some vacation place where cars are banned.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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There were a number of planned stops, doesn't take anything away from what they did.

If the Luddites were listened to we'd still be riding horses as our main transportation and taking sailing ships to Europe instead of jets.
So your argument is that the environmentalists would have been calling for the burning of fossil fuels over wind power? Interesting.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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If the Luddites were listened to we'd still be riding horses as our main transportation and taking sailing ships to Europe instead of jets.
It would be interesting to see what the luddites would make of the coming AI revolution.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The fundamental problem with solar or wind power is that they are not viable for reliable, 24/7 base loads. In every case where the cost/kwH is quoted, it's based on the max output of that system, under ideal conditions. Problem is, people like to turn lights on when it gets dark. Silly customers, right? Similar with wind-customers want power when the wind speed is either too low or high to operate wind turbines. Both of those technologies require redundant backups to provide a reliable base load. And those backups are expensive-a cost which is never quoted when claiming how "cost effective" green power is. At this point the only remotely practical storage medium is hydro-with pumped storage of water to a higher elevation when supply exceeds demand. All of which wastes water and is very costly...also a cost not figured when quoting prices.

Until a method of storing large amounts of energy becomes both practical and cost effective, "renewables" are a novelty, at best capable of supplementing conventional production.
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