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Old 08-03-2016, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Timing.

That is the issue Democrats can't seem to comprehend as they ignore it and it was ignored by the person I replied to. Did they get the $400,000,000.00 for their release?


Carter kept the money frozen.

Reagan kept the money frozen.

Bush Senior kept the money frozen.

Clinton kept the money frozen.

W. Bush kept the money frozen.

Obama for 7.5 years kept the money frozen.

US hostages are taken by Iran and the money is unfrozen by Obama.


The concern isn't so much Obama lying, we are all use to that if we are being honest, it is whether or not a policy of paying out money for hostages is wise or if it encourages more hostage taking.

Now perhaps Obama is being honest and it is just a coincidence that the money was sent while Iran had US hostages, but even that is questionable policy for the above stated reasons of rewarding hostage taking.
Was the transfer agreed to before the hostages were taken?

 
Old 08-03-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Timing.

That is the issue Democrats can't seem to comprehend as they ignore it and it was ignored by the person I replied to. Did they get the $400,000,000.00 for their release?


Carter kept the money frozen.

Reagan kept the money frozen.

Bush Senior kept the money frozen.

Clinton kept the money frozen.

W. Bush kept the money frozen.

Obama for 7.5 years kept the money frozen.

US hostages are taken by Iran and the money is unfrozen by Obama.


The concern isn't so much Obama lying, we are all use to that if we are being honest, it is whether or not a policy of paying out money for hostages is wise or if it encourages more hostage taking.

Now perhaps Obama is being honest and it is just a coincidence that the money was sent while Iran had US hostages, but even that is questionable policy for the above stated reasons of rewarding hostage taking.
The 4 hostages had been imprisoned for years, they were released Jan 17, it's not clear the date the money was shipped other than January. They have met their requirements under the nuclear deal and we still need to return the remainder of their money, $1.7B. The timing was poor because you could guess what the reaction would be but how much time needs to pass to quiet conspiracy theories.
 
Old 08-03-2016, 04:25 PM
 
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Electronic transfers are complicated and need to go through 3rd country intermediaries, one of the reasons the hostage negotiation under Carter failed.
Millions of people succeed with electronic transfers every day.
 
Old 08-03-2016, 07:46 PM
 
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The 4 hostages had been imprisoned for years, they were released Jan 17, it's not clear the date the money was shipped other than January. They have met their requirements under the nuclear deal and we still need to return the remainder of their money, $1.7B. The timing was poor because you could guess what the reaction would be but how much time needs to pass to quiet conspiracy theories.
The clip isn't on the web (yet), but I turned on the TV at my hotel a few minutes ago and a reporter (obviously recorded a bit earlier/not in real time) asked Josh Earnest 3 separate times within her allotted time if the hostages would have been released if the money hadn't been paid, and 3 separate times he wouldn't answer the question. It is a simple yes or no question. Yes is a 3 letter word.
 
Old 08-03-2016, 10:29 PM
 
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The clip isn't on the web (yet), but I turned on the TV at my hotel a few minutes ago and a reporter (obviously recorded a bit earlier/not in real time) asked Josh Earnest 3 separate times within her allotted time if the hostages would have been released if the money hadn't been paid, and 3 separate times he wouldn't answer the question. It is a simple yes or no question. Yes is a 3 letter word.
Here is the clip. Why didn't the White house disclose the $400 million that went to terrorists ( his words in the clip) back when we voluntarily gave our money to Iran?

Why didn't the white house give this 1979 money "back" to Iran in 2009 if it was such the right thing to do?

Utterly amazing. https://youtu.be/E3pU3g7THsA
 
Old 08-08-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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Iran was under different government control when money was given to us. Then a revolution, and hostage situation. So, do we still think it was a monetary payback to the country for crap bought back in the 70s?
And maybe we sbould give Libya there money back too
Over 40 years after purchase, Libya’s C-130s are still in Marietta | Marietta.com
 
Old 08-08-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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Electronic transfers are complicated and need to go through 3rd country intermediaries, one of the reasons the hostage negotiation under Carter failed.
Carter was ready to pay ransom you say?
 
Old 08-08-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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Carter was ready to pay ransom you say?
He forfeited America from the olympics, to get his way on something.
 
Old 08-08-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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#communityorganizer

#unfittobeprez
#neversignedthefrontofacheck

I just reeeeeeallllyyy hope Trump can get his act together. He is the only shot we've got.

There. My first political post. Though I am not a fan of the Dems. (As an adult. As a kid, they gave me a great life. Clinton-era economy, made for nice living when I was young.)
 
Old 08-08-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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The clip isn't on the web (yet), but I turned on the TV at my hotel a few minutes ago and a reporter (obviously recorded a bit earlier/not in real time) asked Josh Earnest 3 separate times within her allotted time if the hostages would have been released if the money hadn't been paid, and 3 separate times he wouldn't answer the question. It is a simple yes or no question. Yes is a 3 letter word.
Josh Earnest would NOT answer the question about releasing the Hostages and the State Department was also asked 3 times about whether the plane carrying the Hostages left Iran before or after the Cargo plane full of Wooden Pallets of Laundered CASH landed in Iran. Also an 'easy question' - the State Department did acknowledge that both flights were on the same day, refused to answer the question.

From the US State Department Country Report on Terrorism in 2015, updated 2016: Beginning on Page 299
Chapter 3
State Sponsors of Terrorism

To designate a country as a State Sponsor of Terrorism, the Secretary of State must determine that the government of such country has repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism. Once a country is designated, it remains a State Sponsor of Terrorism until the designation is rescinded in accordance with statutory criteria. A wide range of sanctions are imposed as a result of a State Sponsor of Terrorism designation, including:
• A ban on arms-related exports and sales;
• Controls over exports of dual-use items, requiring 30-day Congressional notification for
goods or services that could significantly enhance the terrorist-list country’s military
capability or ability to support terrorism;
• Prohibitions on economic assistance; and
• Imposition of miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

IRAN
Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran continued its terrorist-related activity in 2015, including support for Hizballah, Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza, and various groups in Iraq and throughout the Middle East.[/b] In 2015, Iran increased its assistance to Iraqi Shia terrorist groups, including Kata’ib Hizballah (KH), which is a U.S. designated Foreign Terrorist Organization, as part of an effort to fight the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Iraq and bolster the Asad regime in Syria. Iran used the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) to implement foreign policy goals, provide cover for intelligence operations, and create instability in the Middle East. The IRGC-QF is Iran’s primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad.

Iran views the Asad regime in Syria as a crucial ally, a pillar in its “resistance” front together with sub-national groups aligned with Iran, and a key link to Hizballah, Iran’s primary beneficiary and terrorist partner. In addition to its ongoing support for Hizballah in Syria, Iran continued to provide arms, financing, training, and the facilitation of primarily Iraqi, Afghan, and Pakistani Shia fighters to support the Asad regime’s brutal crackdown that has resulted in the deaths of more than 250,000 people in Syria. Iran more openly acknowledged the deaths of Iranian personnel in Syria in 2015, including several senior commanders, and increased Iranian troop levels, while continuing to claim publicly that Iranian forces had only deployed in an advisory role.

In Iraq, Iranian combat forces employed rockets, artillery, and drones against ISIL. Iran also increased its arming and funding of Iraqi Shia terrorist groups in an effort to reverse ISIL gains in Iraq. Many of these groups, such as KH, have exacerbated sectarian tensions in Iraq and have committed serious human rights abuses against primarily Sunni civilians. The IRGC-QF, in concert with Hizballah, provided training outside of Iraq, as well as advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of advanced weaponry. Similar to Hizballah fighters, many of these trained Shia militants have used these skills to fight for the Asad regime in Syria or against ISIL in Iraq.

Iran has also provided weapons, funding, and training to Shia militants in Bahrain. In 2015, the Government of Bahrain raided, interdicted, and rounded up numerous Iran-sponsored weapons caches, arms transfers, and militants. This includes the Bahraini government’s discovery of a bomb-making facility with 1.5 tons of high-grade explosives in September.

Iran has historically provided weapons, training, and funding to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, including Palestine Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. These Palestinian terrorist groups have been behind a number of deaths from attacks originating in Gaza and the West Bank. Although Hamas’s ties to Tehran have been strained due to the Syrian civil war, both sides took steps in 2015 to repair relations. Iran continued to declare its vocal support for Palestinian terrorist groups and its hostility to Israel in 2015. Supreme National Security Council Secretary Admiral Ali Shamkhani sought to frame a series of individual Palestinian attacks on Israeli security forces in the West Bank as a new “Intifada” in a speech on November 25.
Since the end of the 2006 Israeli-Hizballah conflict in 2006, Iran has also assisted in rearming Hizballah, in direct violation of UNSCR 1701. Iran has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in support of Hizballah in Lebanon and has trained thousands of its fighters at camps in Iran. These trained fighters have used these skills in direct support of the Asad regime in Syria and, to a lesser extent, in support of operations against ISIL in Iraq. They have also carried out isolated attacks along the Lebanese border with Israel.

Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qa’ida (AQ) members it continued to detain and refused to publicly identify the members in its custody. Iran previously allowed AQ facilitators to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iran since at least 2009, enabling AQ to move funds and fighters to South Asia and Syria.


The US Government and US State Department lists ONLY 3 "State Sponsors of Terrorism".
IRAN - SUDAN - SYRIA

Exactly why is the President of the United States sending a Secret Cargo Plane loaded with Pallets of Laundered CASH ...... to a Country that is designated a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" ???
ALL Presidents have refused to send this CASH to Iran ..... until Obama.
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