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Old 08-07-2016, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Cliftonpdx View Post
Are you telling me Mr Kahn and his son who died for this country are potential terrorists? Way to respect the troops and those who have fought and died for our freedom just because you don't like their choice of religion.
You make no sense at all. Stop watching all that propaganda.. first Trump did not deny Mr. Kahn entrance to America..

Mr. Kahns son fought against terrorism in Iraq. His son was killed by a terrorist. His son died fighting the battle over in Iraq before it came here.

Now Mr. Kahn wants to undo what his son died for. keeping the terrorists over in the middle east away from the innocent people who are to be protected by our government. Why do you think Mr. Kahns son died? He died to keep us safe here.

Trump and Mr. Kahns son are on the same side , fighting the same fight, to keep terrorists out of our country.

 
Old 08-07-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by FatBob96 View Post
No one, of any religion, from any country has a "right" to immigrate to America.

America, on the other hand, has not only the right but a duty to control who we permit to immigrate here to protect our citizens and our economy.

And btw, Trump would hardly be the first president to block immigrants from certain parts of the world.
I don't support Trump but yeah, we can exclude anyone we want from coming here. Nothing in the Constitution forbids that.

We have been pretty welcoming of others not because we have to, but because we have wanted to.
 
Old 08-07-2016, 03:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
You make no sense at all. Stop watching all that propaganda.. first Trump did not deny Mr. Kahn entrance to America..

Mr. Kahns son fought against terrorism in Iraq. His son was killed by a terrorist. His son died fighting the battle over in Iraq before it came here.

Now Mr. Kahn wants to undo what his son died for. keeping the terrorists over in the middle east away from the innocent people who are to be protected by our government. Why do you think Mr. Kahns son died? He died to keep us safe here.

Trump and Mr. Kahns son are on the same side , fighting the same fight, to keep terrorists out of our country.
I didn't say Trump wanted to keep Mr Kahn's son out of the US, you said that. Though it does bring up a valid point, do you think those that worship a religion you don't approve of can't be Americans and can't serve their country?

Mr Kahn's son was a brave man who fought for this country and sacrificed his life for this country, he also was a Muslim.

No, Mr Kahn understands that not every Muslim is a terrorists like you and Trump want everyone to believe. He does make the point that people like Mr Kahn's son is more of an American patriot than those who want to ban a specific religion from a country that claims to be free to all beliefs.

Maybe it is time for you to reread the constitution and check your patriotism because it sounds like a Muslim is more patriotic for the US than you will ever be.
 
Old 08-07-2016, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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That isn't what I said, what I said was every American has the right to practice any religion they choose to practice, even Islam.
The people who Trump is proposing to temporarily ban from immigrating are not Americans yet.
 
Old 08-07-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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Mr, Kahn's son became a Christian.
Suuuuuuure.

Here - try no to spit at the monitor:

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Old 08-07-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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It's a matter of semantics...you can't ban them because of their religion, but you can ban them on the grounds of national security without using their religion as a reason for revoking entry.
 
Old 08-07-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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Hypothetically, if 99.999% of people belonging to a certain religion wished to harm the US, could the US discrimate based on religion?
No. Any action against them would require due process. If 99% of members of a certain religion were against the US, you'd have to find evidence of that 99% before you can detain them. The US can turn any immigrant away, so long as a clear and consistent policy for doing so is established. I've said on this forum before that I do not support a ban on Muslim immigration, but would be willing to at least hear out a ban from certain countries (the bans being temporary of course).

More and more, we seem to be ok with sacrificing the need for due process. Watch lists, the Patriot Act (ironic name at it's finest...), and the NSA all seem opposed to the idea that due process is important. And we seem to be ok with it in certain circumstances. If a Mosque is suspected of terrorist activity, you get a warrant. To monitor without a warrant is against the constitution. And remember, if they can do it to a Mosque, they can do it at your church, your home, and your schools.
 
Old 08-07-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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It's a matter of semantics...you can't ban them because of their religion, but you can ban them on the grounds of national security without using their religion as a reason for revoking entry.
If we're deciding whether or not to let somebody immigrate here, and there are signs that they are prone to violence, then don't let them in. However, if all we have to point to is religion, then they should be allowed to immigrate.
 
Old 08-07-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Bet Mr. Khan understands there is no Article XII.

Donald Trump Says He'll Protect Constitution's 'Article XII' - ABC News
 
Old 08-07-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Suuuuuuure.

Here - try no to spit at the monitor:
Sorry but that is the worst photoshop job I have ever seen.
I'm not saying that, that is not what is on the stone but that pic is a fake.



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