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Old 08-26-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Weird when I moved from California to Ontario, Canada my tax rate went down. Add in the fact I had to pay for healthcare in California and it was part of my taxes in Canada and I had to pay significantly more in taxes and costs in the U.S. than Canada.
Yes, Canada's living expense is on par with California but most Canadians make less.
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Old 08-26-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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Let me just say this as both American and Canadian - I moved to US for a reason, right? Canada is not the shiny star of the civilization - it might be star for the liberals. As bad as we may think, USA is the shiny star and I love it here.

1. The Canada depends on the USA for trade and defense. USA is probably responsible for defense for half of the world, and people are so freaking ungrateful for that. Without USA, Canada would be just a remote wilderness where people come to take pictures on vacation and where the Chinese come to dig oil and minerals.
2. The rights in Canada are not the same as USA. As much as we lose our rights in USA on the daily basis, we still have more rights. For example:
a. The Canadian Bill of Rights was an ordinary statute not part of the constitution.
b. There's no equivalent of 5th Amendment.
c. Owning firearm is a privilege not a right.
d. Self-defense is designed to protect criminals than law abiding citizens, and please don't use a firearm to shoot anybody there.
3. The Canadian government may disavow you when they feel like. A citizen can be stripped of his/her citizenship at the government's whim without due process - this is actually changing which leads to my next point.
4. The Canadian government is far less stable than the US. A new government, which comes on and off like a circus, can easily reverse policies and laws set by the previous one. This is terrible for both the people and the businesses. The gridlock in US actually provides long term stability to the country.
5. Taxes, taxes and taxes.
6. All the liberals. The Canadian conservatives would be considered liberal fanatics by the American - I am exaggerating but you get the point.
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Canada
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4. The Canadian government is far less stable than the US. new government, which comes on and off like a circus, can easily reverse policies and laws set by the previous one. This is terrible for both the people and the businesses. The gridlock in US actually provides long term stability to the country.
The current opposition party were in power for 10 years prior to last November.
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I am not a coffee person, but I love their double-double.

Canadian men, what else can I say? They are fun, most them are very fit, (with a few exceptions of course), and they are beautiful. Maybe not as beautiful as New Yorkers, but pretty high up there.
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Canada consistently ranks ahead of the US in terms of quality of life, healthcare, environment, etc. I think there's a lot we can learn from Canada, so I welcome Canadians who post on this forum about US politics, as long as they're not too nasty about it.
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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Canada consistently ranks ahead of the US in terms of quality of life, healthcare, environment, etc. I think there's a lot we can learn from Canada, so I welcome Canadians who post on this forum about US politics, as long as they're not too nasty about it.
Really I had an uncle that lived in Toronto that had throat cancer. Sadly he passed away mainly due to waiting for months to see a specialist. So i wouldn't brag too much about canada's wonderful healthcare system if i were you!!!
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:51 AM
 
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Let me just say this as both American and Canadian - I moved to US for a reason, right? Canada is not the shiny star of the civilization - it might be star for the liberals. As bad as we may think, USA is the shiny star and I love it here.

1. The Canada depends on the USA for trade and defense. USA is probably responsible for defense for half of the world, and people are so freaking ungrateful for that. Without USA, Canada would be just a remote wilderness where people come to take pictures on vacation and where the Chinese come to dig oil and minerals.
2. The rights in Canada are not the same as USA. As much as we lose our rights in USA on the daily basis, we still have more rights. For example:
a. The Canadian Bill of Rights was an ordinary statute not part of the constitution.
b. There's no equivalent of 5th Amendment.
c. Owning firearm is a privilege not a right.
d. Self-defense is designed to protect criminals than law abiding citizens, and please don't use a firearm to shoot anybody there.
3. The Canadian government may disavow you when they feel like. A citizen can be stripped of his/her citizenship at the government's whim without due process - this is actually changing which leads to my next point.
4. The Canadian government is far less stable than the US. A new government, which comes on and off like a circus, can easily reverse policies and laws set by the previous one. This is terrible for both the people and the businesses. The gridlock in US actually provides long term stability to the country.
5. Taxes, taxes and taxes.
6. All the liberals. The Canadian conservatives would be considered liberal fanatics by the American - I am exaggerating but you get the point.


d. If you are referring to the farmer who shot the native in his farmyard yes he was charged as there was no evidence that he was fearing for his life or that any crime was being committed. if you are being just general then you are wrong, reasonable force is allowed but you cannot shot a person just for trespassing or if they are fleeing and leaving the scene and there is no longer a threat to you


c. And we do not feel the need to be armed to be safe. I would bet a large portion of the US population that does carry firearms with them would no if there was no the gun culture that strokes the fear that you need to protect yourself.


2b you are correct in that we do not have a constitutional right to own a firearm but neither do we have that right to own a car, a dog, a TV or a canoe. Big deal we can still own cars, dogs TVs canoes and guns.


2 No the rights might not be exactly the same as those in the States but we are not the States. What rights do we not exercise? We can own guns, I know people with handguns even. How is 2c and 2b any different from each other


a. you are right in that the 1960 Bill of Rights was only a stature however the charter of rights and freedoms passed in 1982 are
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in Canada often simply the Charter, is a bill of rights entrenched in the Constitution of Canada. It forms the first part of the Constitution Act, 1982. The Charter guarantees certain political rights


3. How can the government strip a citizen of their citizenship? I think Harper would have with Omar Khadr if he could have. A person with dual citizenship or a person who acquired their Canadian citizenship by fraud can have it stripped but I cannot as I was born here and only have Canadian citizenship.


4. We have had only two political parties form a government and unless it is a minority government it is very staple and requires a vote of non confidence to be defeated. We did have one short lived government lead by Joe Clark but that was in 1979. We somehow survived having two elections within one year time and that is still shorter than the American primaries campaign.


I am sorry that you think Canadians are so primitive that we could not build roads or homes or cities or even dig in the dirt without guidance from the United States. Some of us can tie our own shoe laces though even before going to the US. Glad you like it in the US, I happen to like Canada better for many reasons, your 5th amendment being just a very tiny part of it. It is too bad your comments contain so many errors.
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Old 08-26-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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Really I had an uncle that lived in Toronto that had throat cancer. Sadly he passed away mainly due to waiting for months to see a specialist. So i wouldn't brag too much about canada's wonderful healthcare system if i were you!!!
I wouldnt brag about your American system =
https://www.google.ca/search?site=&s...k1.XB2m6fuaAzQ
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Old 08-26-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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d. If you are referring to the farmer who shot the native in his farmyard yes he was charged as there was no evidence that he was fearing for his life or that any crime was being committed. if you are being just general then you are wrong, reasonable force is allowed but you cannot shot a person just for trespassing or if they are fleeing and leaving the scene and there is no longer a threat to you
You can read this here. A lot more complicated than US laws. In US, we can't shoot anybody for trespassing our yard either; however, if the person enters our dwelling with force, he's a free target - we do not have such duty to further determine the threat.

Self-defence: What's acceptable under Canadian law? - Canada - CBC News



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c. And we do not feel the need to be armed to be safe. I would bet a large portion of the US population that does carry firearms with them would no if there was no the gun culture that strokes the fear that you need to protect yourself.
Correct; however, it's not what we feel that matters. It is the freedom of the choice. In US, if we don't feel it's necessary, we can choose not to own a gun or we can choose to keep and bear arms. In Canada, you DO NOT have such choice.

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2b you are correct in that we do not have a constitutional right to own a firearm but neither do we have that right to own a car, a dog, a TV or a canoe. Big deal we can still own cars, dogs TVs canoes and guns.

2 No the rights might not be exactly the same as those in the States but we are not the States. What rights do we not exercise? We can own guns, I know people with handguns even. How is 2c and 2b any different from each other

The guns you are allowed to own, note it's not a freedom to you, is by far inferior than what we can keep and bear. It's a little asinine to say you can own guns. Yes, you can but it's not a freedom - even in China or Japan, with the the most obnoxious gun laws, people can own guns but it's not a freedom.

Let's not even get into carrying a gun because it's not allowed in Canada.

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a. you are right in that the 1960 Bill of Rights was only a stature however the charter of rights and freedoms passed in 1982 are
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in Canada often simply the Charter, is a bill of rights entrenched in the Constitution of Canada. It forms the first part of the Constitution Act, 1982. The Charter guarantees certain political rights
Once again, the Canadian list of rights are much shorter than the US.

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3. How can the government strip a citizen of their citizenship? I think Harper would have with Omar Khadr if he could have. A person with dual citizenship or a person who acquired their Canadian citizenship by fraud can have it stripped but I cannot as I was born here and only have Canadian citizenship.
C-24. We aren't talking about fraud. Even with Canadian citizenship obtained through fraud, it follows the due process.

http://www.cba.org/CMSPages/GetFile....7-154959d32876


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I am sorry that you think Canadians are so primitive that we could not build roads or homes or cities or even dig in the dirt without guidance from the United States. Some of us can tie our own shoe laces though even before going to the US. Glad you like it in the US, I happen to like Canada better for many reasons, your 5th amendment being just a very tiny part of it. It is too bad your comments contain so many errors.
I do not think Canada is primitive. I just think it's too liberal. Without US, Canada would just be a dirty land like when it was founded. That's just a fact that we can't ignore.

By the way, the 5th Amendment is a huge part which is why it's in the most important document for the country. You may think it's a small thing but again, we have the freedom to choose and you don't.
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Old 08-26-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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They come down into the political forum and argue American politics with their Canadian thoughts.

They think they live in a country that is just soooo much better than ours, makes me laugh. They can do all they do basically because of us then want to get a dig in here and there. 90% of their population lives like within 100 miles of our border yet we suck? Uh huh, sure thing.

Some Canadians I know especially relatives, like to verbally trash our country and my state, then refuse to go into Canada. They talk about how wonderful it is then live here Or the fact they know nothing of our laws or ways of governance and like to dictate to us what we should be doing. Thats like me telling you how to fix your computer... Reminds me of ole Honest Abe...

The fact is, Canada is "NOTHING" without the USA. A little respect and humility goes a long way.

Anyways if you want to argue Canadian politics down here be my guest. We don't care.

Just stay out of ours!!!

it would have been good manners to begin your letter with...

"Dear Canadian People,"

plus it seems your comments are not really being communicated to them but come across as maybe just talking about your annoying neighbors to some other guy down at the local bar.

lastly, you should end your letter with some type of closing such as...

"Yours Truly,
Ford Trucks"

you could also add a PS and get one last dig in on them too, maybe something insulting about Canadian Football or bashing in little baby seals' heads.
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