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Old 08-27-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Reading about the costs of dealing with climate change make me wonder how even the U.S. will afford the consequences of ignoring the mounting threat to humanity.

We already have "climate change refugees" in the U.S., and the costs are only beginning to mount.

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In the unofficial results of an election on Tuesday in the village, Shishmaref, residents voted 89 to 78 to leave. The plan would move the village, which is 120 miles north of Nome, to one of two sites on the mainland about five miles away, officials said. But the village needs an estimated $180 million from a patchwork of sources to complete the move, according to a 2004 estimate.

Shishmaref is an Inupiat community of about 600 people on Sarichef, an island north of the Bering Strait that is about one-quarter mile wide and two and a half miles long....

In January, the federal government allocated $48 million to relocate Isle de Jean Charles, La., an island that is sinking into the sea. The effort earned the residents the title of the United States’ first “climate refugees.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us...ange.html?_r=0

Miami Beach already has committed $400 million to flood prevention efforts.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower : NPR

<<According to the Miami Herald, a whopping $152 billion worth of property will be under threat of flooding statewide by 2050, ranking first in a 2015 national survey.>>

https://weather.com/science/environm...looding-threat

Rising sea levels impose an immense threat to national security.

https://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...port/87657780/

In coming decades, the demands for federal resources to protect coastal cities and developments could reach the hundreds of billions, if not trillions, and it's unlikely that substantial resources will be available to deal with this problem.

http://ocean.si.edu/sea-level-rise

Wouldn't it be smarter to become proactive in dealing with the causes of climate change, and also to limit vulnerable coastal development?

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Under the worst-case scenario investigated, if pollution continues unabated, and if seas respond to ongoing warming by rising at the fastest rates considered likely, sea levels could rise more than 4 feet this century alone, wiping out coastal infrastructure and driving communities inland.
The problem would be made far worse if the Antarctic or Greenland ice sheets collapse — something that’s difficult to forecast.>>

New Data Reveal Stunning Acceleration of Sea Level Rise - Scientific American

http://ocean.si.edu/sea-level-rise

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Old 08-27-2016, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Reading about the costs of dealing with climate change make me wonder how even the U.S. will afford the consequences of ignoring the mounting threat to humanity.

We already have "climate change refugees" in the U.S., and the costs are only beginning to mount.

<<
In the unofficial results of an election on Tuesday in the village, Shishmaref, residents voted 89 to 78 to leave. The plan would move the village, which is 120 miles north of Nome, to one of two sites on the mainland about five miles away, officials said. But the village needs an estimated $180 million from a patchwork of sources to complete the move, according to a 2004 estimate.


Shishmaref is an Inupiat community of about 600 people on Sarichef, an island north of the Bering Strait that is about one-quarter mile wide and two and a half miles long....

In January, the federal government allocated $48 million to relocate Isle de Jean Charles, La., an island that is sinking into the sea. The effort earned the residents the title of the United States’ first “climate refugees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us...ange.html?_r=0

Miami Beach already has committed $400 million to flood prevention efforts.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower : NPR

In coming decades, the demands for federal resources to protect coastal cities and developments could reach the hundreds of billions, if not trillions, and it's unlikely that substantial resources will be available to deal with this problem.

Wouldn't it be smarter to become proactive in dealing with the causes of climate change, and limit coastal development?

<<
Under the worst-case scenario investigated, if pollution continues unabated, and if seas respond to ongoing warming by rising at the fastest rates considered likely, sea levels could rise more than 4 feet this century alone, wiping out coastal infrastructure and driving communities inland.
The problem would be made far worse if the Antarctic or Greenland ice sheets collapse — something that’s difficult to forecast.>>


New Data Reveal Stunning Acceleration of Sea Level Rise - Scientific American


Sea Level Rise | Smithsonian Ocean Portal
The world climate has been changing for millions of years. I guess if you can't get money from gullible people, good for you. I've heard the climate alarmists since I was a college Freshman either lie or be horribly wrong in their predictions....anyone got ideas how one can tap into this scam?
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The world climate has been changing for millions of years. I guess if you can't get money from gullible people, good for you. I've heard the climate alarmists since I was a college Freshman either lie or be horribly wrong in their predictions....anyone got ideas how one can tap into this scam?
There is something horribly wrong with every one of your sentences. You're denying reality and facts. Exxon-Mobile said so in 1977.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:24 AM
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There is no "climate change" (aka global warming). The only real costs come from excessive and wasteful government spending on something that does not exist.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How bad is it getting? How about the prospect that future Mt. Everest climbers may climb ice-free? Mount Everest Climbers May One Day Climb Ice-Free - EcoWatch

And is anyone doing anything about it? Yep. Big Oil

"On climate change, we often don't fully appreciate that it is a problem. We think it is a problem waiting to happen." — Kofi Annan
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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there is no "climate change" (aka global warming). The only real costs come from excessive and wasteful government spending on something that does not exist.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:50 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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How bad is it getting? How about the prospect that future Mt. Everest climbers may climb ice-free? Mount Everest Climbers May One Day Climb Ice-Free - EcoWatch

And is anyone doing anything about it? Yep. Big Oil

"On climate change, we often don't fully appreciate that it is a problem. We think it is a problem waiting to happen." — Kofi Annan
And NOTHING man can do will change it. The climate changes, FACT, it has changed since the earth began FACT.

Just another "the U.S. is evil and everything WE do is killing something,someone. WE are the problem, not anyone/anything else, just US.

You will notice that all these doomsayers are making millions off of their predictions/solutions and daily get in their private jets and fly all over the place to their private mansions that have a larger carbon footprint (whatever the hell that is supposed to be ) than 5-10 normal families.

Cry me a river, seriously, please, as we're in a drought....

As for the ocean rise, maybe there's too many new cruise ships/yachts bobbing around and that's raising the levels? Lets take out some of 'em and see if the levels go down? Kind of like putting more ice in your kale smoothy, the level goes up right?
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The world climate has been changing for millions of years. I guess if you can't get money from gullible people, good for you. I've heard the climate alarmists since I was a college Freshman either lie or be horribly wrong in their predictions....anyone got ideas how one can tap into this scam?
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There is no "climate change" (aka global warming). The only real costs come from excessive and wasteful government spending on something that does not exist.
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Propaganda. Plain and simple.
Well, you can see that the scientifically illiterate make up most posters on threads about climate change. No matter how hard you try, these folks are hard wired to reject science through years of conditioning from denialist websites and FAUX News.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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And NOTHING man can do will change it. The climate changes, FACT, it has changed since the earth began FACT.

Just another "the U.S. is evil and everything WE do is killing something,someone. WE are the problem, not anyone/anything else, just US.

You will notice that all these doomsayers are making millions off of their predictions/solutions and daily get in their private jets and fly all over the place to their private mansions that have a larger carbon footprint (whatever the hell that is supposed to be ) than 5-10 normal families.

Cry me a river, seriously, please, as we're in a drought....
So you are saying that the climate is changing but it is irrespective of man's impact. You deniers need to get on the same page. Half of you are saying that there is no climate change at all, and half of you say that the climate IS changing but it isn't as a result of human activities.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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There is no "climate change" (aka global warming). The only real costs come from excessive and wasteful government spending on something that does not exist.
Richard Muller, a prominent Berkeley physicist, several years ago was considered the most prominent global warming denier. So a large project was funded by a Koch foundation, which actively funds climate change deniers, in order to investigate whether man-made global warming was real or not.

Here was the result of Muller's investigation:

<<“Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.”>>

Prominent climate change denier now admits he was wrong (+video) - CSMonitor.com

So are we to believe respected, peer-reviewed scientists analyzing empirical data, or you, junk scientists, and other climate change deniers?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Ocean acidification as a result of fossil burning is even more easily measured with pernicious impacts on ocean life and massive human protein sources, and it is hardly discussed in American politics.

<<Although the oceans are global, ocean acidification isn’t uniform, and its effects are not the same everywhere and on every species. Fisheries that depend heavily on mollusks, such as those in New England, would likely be hit harder. Fisheries in Hawaii and Alaska should be less vulnerable, because mollusks make up a tiny fraction of the catch there.

Then again, Cooley said, the finfish catch may also decline, because many of the fish we like to eat, such as haddock, halibut, herring, flounder, and cod, depend heavily on mollusks for their own nourishment. Even top predators, the animals that eat the haddock, herring, and cod, could be affected. Swordfish, tuna, shark, and salmon are on that list.>>

http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/feature/...-acidification

<< Earlier in Earth’s history, changes in ocean conditions that were much slower than today still managed to wipe out 95 percent of marine species . If emissions continue at current rates, our planet is risking a similar mass extinction event, one that could begin within our lifetimes.>>

Acid Test: Rising CO2 Levels Killing Ocean Life (Op-Ed)

Ocean Acidification | Smithsonian Ocean Portal

https://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=833...622&cid=131410
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