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Old 08-28-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The easy way to handle sobriety checkpoints is to be SOBER!
Not quite. You still have to stop and convince LE that you are innocent.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Would you support checkpoints at every intersection? Where do you draw the line?

I have a problem with these checkpoints because they violate reasonable suspicion laws. They treat everyone as guilty. It would be wrong for cops to pull over every single driver just to check if they have been drinking. So it should be wrong for checkpoints to be set up.

Pull over drivers who appear to be drunk, but do not punish those who are not.
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: DC
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Show me in the constitution where that right is given to the government.
In the Food and Drug Administration section of the Constitution.
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: DC
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That's such a silly argument. The constitutional does not explicitly give you the right to spit in your bathtub either.

Clearly, the tenth amendment gives the people the power to spit in their bathtub and drive a car.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
It will be a State judge who sends you to jail. I'm sure he will find your argument more persuasive than I do.
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Old 08-28-2016, 06:53 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Originally Posted by Floorist View Post
I have lived in Missouri all of my life, except two years in the Army, and I have never seen it posted.
You can find every single state highway checkpoint here:
http://notes.mshp.dps.mo.gov/si01/si01p001.nsf
County roads normally are posted by the sheriff/county police. City roads vary a lot, but most post in writing at city hall.
There are services that track all the major ones (like this one: Recent Missouri DUI Checkpoints - August 2016 / Recent MO DWI Checkpoints - Page 1)
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Old 08-28-2016, 06:57 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Show me in the constitution where that right is given to the government.
Well, mostly Article 1 Section 8 for the federal government, if the food is interstate commerce (and nearly all food is now except for local grown farm products).

For state and local government, it varies, but nearly all state constitutions give state government (and sometimes local) the nearly unrestricted right to regulate the sale of food.
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Old 08-28-2016, 06:59 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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That's such a silly argument. The constitutional does not explicitly give you the right to spit in your bathtub either.

Clearly, the tenth amendment gives the people the power to spit in their bathtub and drive a car.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
But the States are the ones conducting the checkpoints, not the federal government. Have to keep that squarely in mind when talking about how rights and restrictions come into play here. If it is does not fall under 14th amendment restrictions, the individual states have carte blanche.
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:30 PM
 
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That boy is lucky he is white. They would of shot him if he were black. We all know that is true.

OP, don't drink and drive. Very simple.
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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People who are against the check points need to talk to family members of people who have died as a result of a drunk driver. Because if it were not for check points you'd see a lot more fatal DUI's.
People who are for the check points need to talk to those who fight against those that abuse our rights. We didn't fight a revolutionary war to replace British tyranny with our own tyranny.
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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These are illegal where I live, but I have no problem with them. Your license is issued by the state and you are driving on public roads. You have to follow certain laws. Police ensure you are doing so. Don't like it? -- Dont drive!

Problem is with what you suggest... where is the probable cause to get all gestapo one a person traveling and broke no laws to suspect they broke a law.
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