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Yes, because they are a living, feeling human. The only difference between them and a baby at the exact same stage of development in the womb of their mother is location. Therefore, it makes sense to put legal restrictions on terminating a baby this far into development, wouldn't you agree?
I've only read one persons personal story of a late term. It was incredibly sad for her and her husband. The fetus had a catastrophic heart defect that was detected late in the pregnancy. The procedure was performed in a hospital and both mother and fetus were given full anesthesia.
If we go willy nilly banning procedures, we are going to end up with dead women and babies in buckets. If we don't apply some sort of regulations and ethical guidelines we will end up with profit driven mills with the same end result. I hope we can set aside emotion and religion and look at this issue rationally.
This is what constitutes victory for the right wing now? Pass unsustainable laws that'll get clobbered on appeal just so you can feel like winners for a few months?
That's really what it's come to? Really?
Saves the lives of THOUSANDS of babies so yep in this case good for me!
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Originally Posted by geekigurl
I am pro-life, but I am also pro-choice. This is a sensitive subject for me. The fact that I can't have a child of my own hurts so much I try not to think about it. Personally it's a choice I wouldn't make unless my life or the child's was at risk. But I can't use my vote to take that right away from another woman, to me that would be immoral.
You can't be both pro life and pro baby murder.
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Good, you've found a solution that works for you: don't date women who support abortion. They probably wouldn't want to date you anyway.
I am married to a woman who finds baby murder and murderers disgusting. So.
Because at that point they may be capable of living outside the womb.
I think it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that they are live human beings at that stage.
The point is that this whole "your body, your choice" tag line neglects the fact that at a point it is a human and no longer just a choice. At some point, it is a human, even inside the womb, and killing him/her should only be allowed under the most desperate circumstances.
The people who want all abortions outlawed see it no differently than those premies in the NICU. Although, I will disagree with them on parts of their stance, I can at least respect them for their values - it's best not to kill. I have no respect at all for the, much much smaller, no restrictions crowd. At a point, that clump of cells is a baby at some point. It's a human before exiting the womb and deserves protection.
I some ways it's like war. You have the group that believes that under no circumstance should you bomb any innocent civilians to get the bad guys while others say civilians are just a casualty of war that are to be accepted and the getting the target is the top and only priority. I won't agree 100% with either, but I'll lean towards those who have the greater concern for innocent lives.
I've only read one persons personal story of a late term. It was incredibly sad for her and her husband. The fetus had a catastrophic heart defect that was detected late in the pregnancy. The procedure was performed in a hospital and both mother and fetus were given full anesthesia.
If we go willy nilly banning procedures, we are going to end up with dead women and babies in buckets. If we don't apply some sort of regulations and ethical guidelines we will end up with profit driven mills with the same end result. I hope we can set aside emotion and religion and look at this issue rationally.
The brother and sister-in-law of a couple in a Sunday school class we attended were pregnant. In the late second trimester, they discovered a condition fatal to the baby. The doctors said the baby would almost certainly not make it through the pregnancy, and if he did, he would not survive delivery or be able to stay alive. I don't remember the condition.
They prayed about it and decided to continue the pregnancy since the risk to the mother was low. (Geez, I'm getting all teary eyed just typing this, and can never actually tell it without breaking down). They just hoped they could hold the baby for a few minutes after the birth.
The baby actually made it through the delivery, and his mother and father held him for fifteen minutes before their son died. The doctors took the baby and harvested organs that would be used to help four other babies. (The waterworks are going now).
Could I have done it? I doubt it. I think I would have told my wife it would be best to terminate the baby.
I think decisions in these types of situations should be left up to the parents and not the government, but only when there are such complications after a certain point.
One of the things that gets me, the pro-lifers generally belong to the same political party that likes to cut off aid to people who adopt unwanted babies.
One of the things that gets me, the pro-lifers generally belong to the same political party that likes to cut off aid to people who adopt unwanted babies.
One thing that gets me is that it tends to be pro-abortion judges that take adopted children away from their parents to give them back to their "reformed" birth mothers.
I am married to a woman who finds baby murder and murderers disgusting. So.
Good for you. Since you don't have to deal with abortion I find it difficult to understand why you feel the need to stick your nose into other people's business. It's of no concern of yours what a woman (whom you would not date, marry, etc.) does with her body.
Good for you. Since you don't have to deal with abortion I find it difficult to understand why you feel the need to stick your nose into other people's business. It's of no concern of yours what a woman (whom you would not date, marry, etc.) does with her body.
Just as he can say that it is societies business when a man rapes a woman, he can also say its society's business when an innocent human's life is taken, even when that life is very young.
Do you believe a baby who is still in the womb and a week from being born is a human or not?
Just as he can say that it is societies business when a man rapes a woman, he can also say its society's business when an innocent human's life is taken, even when that life is very young.
Do you believe a baby who is still in the womb and a week from being born is a human or not?
the criminal act of rape can not be compared at all to pregnancy and parenting.
an adult woman has the right to privacy. none of anyone's business if a woman might be carrying an "innocent human" or not. you can not regulate someone's else's body.
call it human, call it cells, it doesn't matter, it is choice.
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