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Old 09-14-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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A very sound decision. American consumers will benefit greatly. Thank you Ronald Reagan for being the inspiration behind NAFTA.
As much as I thought Reagan appeared to be a cheerleader for the US, he was far from it. He certainly fit the part though, he and his wife exuded class and seemed to love their country. I guess once an actor always an actor.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Houston
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As much as I thought Reagan appeared to be a cheerleader for the US, he was far from it. He certainly fit the part though, he and his wife exuded class and seemed to love their country. I guess once an actor always an actor.
I guess you will be voting for Trump.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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A very sound decision. American consumers will benefit greatly. Thank you Ronald Reagan for being the inspiration behind NAFTA.
umm the inspiration was Brzezinski under Pres. Carter

reagan slowed it as he was not the globalist that his VP was, but his VP (bush1)_ was a student of BRZEZINSKI...bush1 NEGOIATED it..but after he left office it was DEAD IN THE WATER...CLINTON PUSHED it through a DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESS and signed it on dec 1993
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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Not that I'm defending the Dems...that would never happen, but both sides have played a big part in the $_crewing of America.
Absolutely.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Houston
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umm the inspiration was Brzezinski under Pres. Carter

reagan slowed it as he was not the globalist that his VP was, but his VP (bush1)_ was a student of BRZEZINSKI...bush1 NEGOIATED it..but after he left office it was DEAD IN THE WATER...CLINTON PUSHED it through a DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESS and signed it on dec 1993
Bull, Reagan envisioned free trade from the southern tip of South America to the Northernmost part of Canada. NAFTA was approved despite Democrats overwhelmingly voting against it.

Protectionism is big government in action. Thus Reagan sought to tear down trade barriers while Democrats attempted to maintain them. Reagan won.

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ree-trade.html
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Ford confirms small car production moving from US to Mexico - KTAR.com

...the company expects to make higher profits because of the lower wages in Mexico.
They give the shaft to the American workers and employ Mexicans so the rich can get more money . The bottom line is the wealthy come first and their bottom line to earn more , <cause and effect >> welfare roles grow and the numbers of the poor expand.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Bull, Reagan envisioned free trade from the southern tip of South America to the Northernmost part of Canada. NAFTA was approved despite Democrats overwhelmingly voting against it.

Protectionism is big government in action. Thus Reagan sought to tear down trade barriers while Democrats attempted to maintain them. Reagan won.

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ree-trade.html
wrong


Reagan stood for the United States maintaining a strong industrial base not only because that translates into good jobs for Americans and an expansion of the middle class. Reagan came from the generation who understood that America’s World War II victory was based on our tremendous manufacturing industry that overnight turned from producing automobiles into military weapons and tractors into tanks.

Reagan signed a Buy America policy for federal highway and transit projects. No way would he have approved building a Keystone XL oil pipeline with steel pipe imported from a Russian-owned mill or a San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge assembled from steel sections made in China.

Reagan imposed tariffs on motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson and on electronic products from Japan. Like Alexander Hamilton and Republican Party policy for many decades, Reagan understood that a strong manufacturing base is a major element of America’s greatness, military superiority and prosperity.


freetrade was started by the GLOBALIST LIBERALS.... started under carter

pushed and negotiated by globalist bush1

pushed and signed by globalist Clinton

expanded by globalist Clinton, globalist bush2, and globalist omama

THE FREE-TRADE ACCORD; PRESIDENT BEGINS A LOBBYING BLITZ FOR TRADE ACCORD
By DOUGLAS JEHL,
Published: November 9, 1993

WASHINGTON, Nov. 8— President Clinton began an intensive face-to-face effort today to persuade lawmakers to throw their support behind the North American Free Trade Agreement as the White House added to his criticisms of labor unions who are the chief opponents of the accord.

Struggling to find the 218 votes he needs for the agreement's approval in the House of Representatives, Mr. Clinton met from morning until well into the night with pairs and small groups of Democratic members of Congress, nearly all of whom had not declared their position.

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THE FREE-TRADE ACCORD - PRESIDENT BEGINS A LOBBYING BLITZ FOR TRADE ACCORD - NYTimes.com
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NAFTA Engulfs Clinton Team - Defeat Would Be 'Catastrophic' - NYTimes.com
WASHINGTON— Sharpening an already intensive lobbying campaign on the North American Free Trade Agreement, top aides to President Bill Clinton issued dire warnings on Sunday to reach for last-minute congressional votes.

A failure by Congress to ratify the trade accord would be "catastrophic" for U.S. foreign policy, Vice President Al Gore said in a broadcast interview.

Trade Representative Mickey Kantor said rejection of NAFTA would be "shameful." He also defended the White House against assertions that votes were being secured by promises of federal largesse to individual lawmakers.

Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen warned of "a real tragedy" in U.S.-Mexican relations if NAFTA fails, saying that Mexican politics would return to a era in which the United States was reviled.

Faced with considerable reluctance on the part of some Republicans, Mr. Clinton, a Democrat, promised to support them on the issue of NAFTA if a Democrat criticizes their votes in the 1994 election campaigns.

Mr. Gore reiterated the White House view that a defeat on NAFTA would be a blow to Mr. Clinton personally and to U.S. efforts to attain freer trade globally and in Asia.

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hmmm reluctance to pass NAFTA by the republicans, Clinton promiced to SUPPORT them against the democrats......hmmm
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and as soon as nafta passed he went after CHINA

Clinton Puts a Foot In the Opening Door Of the Global Market - NYTimes.com

Such are the realities that Bill Clinton and his economic strategists have begun to acknowledge in a new vision of American relations with Asia -- a vision that Mr. Clinton spelled out forcefully at the meeting of Pacific leaders that concluded here this weekend. It is a vision that implies tradeoffs and job displacements far more wrenching than any posed by the North American Free Trade Agreement, which the House approved last week after a Herculean display of Presidential persuasion.

Previous presidents have steered clear of the politically uncomfortable fact that Mr. Clinton addressed head-on on Friday: Creating a job for a factory worker in Seattle may first require creating six jobs in Jakarta. The new world order, Mr. Clinton suggested, seamlessly integrates security and economics. Indeed, he touted the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum -- the little-known economic consulting group under whose auspices the Pacific leaders gathered -- as something of a latter-day NATO. He said "our place in the world will be determined as much by the skills of our workers as by the strength of our weapons, as much by our ability to pull down foreign trade barriers as our ability to breach distant ramparts."

In political terms, of course, much of this oratory is about building on Nafta, Mr. Clinton's first big foreign policy win. Secretary of State Warren Christopher said Nafta should be the first out in a "triple play," one that now turns to economic integration of the Pacific and then to tearing down still more trade barriers under a new, much delayed global trade accord, which faces a deadline in mid-December.

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and he continued to EXPAND nafta...
Chile Is Admitted as North American Free Trade Partner - NYTimes.com

MIAMI, Dec. 11— President Clinton and the leaders of Canada and Mexico said today that they had agreed to admit Chile to the North American Free Trade Agreement, a move that clearly puts pressure on the other nations of South and Central America to speed the opening of their markets if they want expanded trade with the United States.








50 million jobs have been outsourced to outside of the USA since 1993
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:55 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Not that I'm defending the Dems...that would never happen, but both sides have played a big part in the $_crewing of America.
Trump has been consistent that these trade deals are bad for the American worker. And he's been proven right.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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Here we go again........we are presented with a real problem, the continued export of good jobs to other countries and where does the discussion go?

Not what we can do about it, but rather more stupid politics. Reagan has NOTHING to do with this. He's been dead a long time now. The problem is NOW.

We can come together to put pressure on Ford but we will not. We will sit back and make our stupid political rants while more people lose their jobs so Ford can look after Wall Street.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trump, who made some of his own stuff overseas.

Trump’s ‘Made in the USA’ Spin
The overwhelming majority of Trump family retail products are made offshore. This includes Ivanka's substantial clothing, shoe and bag line and Melania's jewelry sold on QVC. Most of the stuff is made in China, Mexico, Vietnam, Thailand and Bangladesh where the average wage is . 33/hr.

That he/ family have chosen to not walk the talk associated with a key campaign issue is beyond curious and frankly there is no excuse for this.
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