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Old 09-18-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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Meaning of the Muhammad teaching was distorted by the narrow-minded understanding of the Islam followers. Under jihad Muhammad meant the fight against the bad attributes of each muslim which are making him infidel. These attributes are opposition to his spiritual assets and are "brake" to the development of their quality. Every faithful muslim must fight with his own infidel nature inside of his soul. He must eradicate his shortcomings from his soul and keep developing spiritually. Jihad is the inner (spiritual) fight against your own sinful nature, but never the outer (physical) violent fight with other people of another belief.

As of nowadays, all of the religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism) are dwindled and degenerated by their followers, unfortunately. Moreover, the priests of all religion are sinful and ignorant themselves. They all lost the esoteric key to the spiritual revival of the humankind.

Some one thinks Islam is evil. But to be honest and objective, Christianity is the same thing. The vast majority of bloody wars on our planet were started (or instigated) by the so called christians (christian countries) who are "followers" of the religion of Love. Isn't a treason of the Jesus Christ teaching?
So, the the religion of Love is not better than the religion of Peace.

If we would take the labour to clean the initial spiritual teaching of Muhammad from the centuries-old stratums of the ignorant clerical interpretations and human misunderstandings, we would see that Muhammad is not evil at all. He is one of them who helped the mankind to evolve spiritually.
I am not a muslim, but I do think he is a real spiritual prophet, a great person and "salt of the earth".

The most evil thing on our earth is IGNORANCE of the people around the world. We should stop blaming Islam. We should blame the peolpe ignorance.
Not sure if I should ask this in the forum or whether I should send you a PM, musiqum ... but I have a question perhaps you can answer.


What does the word/principle of 'abrogation' mean to you and how do you see that it influences how the Q'uran and its supporting documents are read/interpreted by most muslims? And do you see that as the key difference between those who are radical and those who are not?
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:00 PM
 
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Quran is most likely written by Muhammad himself.
And the New Testament written by Jesus himself?

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Why does it matter who wrote it?
It does matter. Authors could write the book by their own understanding of things. But not in the way as those things were meant by the Teacher.

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And I don't see a point on why you're defending Quran. So you're saying Quran and Islam are problems indeed because they have been interpreted horribly and Muslims literally take these word for word?
Quran and Islam are not problems. The huge problem is Ignorance of people.
Islamic terrorists are not muslims. They are just terrorists.
There are millions of muslims who are nice, peaceful religious people. And I personally know alot of them.
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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Not sure if I should ask this in the forum or whether I should send you a PM, musiqum ... but I have a question perhaps you can answer.


What does the word/principle of 'abrogation' mean to you and how do you see that it influences how the Q'uran and its supporting documents are read/interpreted by most muslims? And do you see that as the key difference between those who are radical and those who are not?
It's 12.02 AM here in NYC and am going to bed right now.
I will try to answer your question tomorrow night.
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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Time to put a non-progressive in the White House so they deal with grown ups.
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:15 PM
 
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And the New Testament written by Jesus himself?


It does matter. Authors could write the book by their own understanding of things. But not in the way as those things were meant by the Teacher.


Quran and Islam are not problems. The huge problem is Ignorance of people.
Islamic terrorists are not muslims. They are just terrorists.
There are millions of muslims who are nice, peaceful religious people. And I personally know alot of them.
What does New Testament have anything to do with this? It's written by Paul and other Christian students, right?
Anyway, there's debate even among Muslims on who wrote Quran.
Personally, I don't really care who wrote it.
Now if that's the case, then how do you even know Muhammad even existed? So Hadith is all fake, too?
So all Islamic sources are badly interpreted and wrong?
The fact is there are people who do phhuccekd up things based on Quran.

If you're convinced about this, then I suggest you go to Muslims about this and tell them Quran verse are translated and interpreted horribly wrong.

And I'm assuming you live in America or at least in the West.
Go live in any Muslim country and tell me if they are still peaceful religious people. I think you should read more about religious tolerance in Muslim countries.
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Old 09-19-2016, 12:48 AM
 
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I call them terrorists. To call them anything else legitimizes the organization.
terrorists... wait the US is funding them... thats a war crime.. OMG someone needs to let Obamah know...


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ult...rorism/5434478
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:07 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Let's start calling ISIS/ISIL DAESH - because it takes away their power.

I recently saw a news report where the Mayor of London referred to ISIS as DAESH and investigated what it means.

It's time that the western media started using this acronym to refer to the terrorist organization, however i'm sure that the left wing media doesn't want to hurt their feelings.

I will only refer to that terrorist organization as DAESH from now on.

Decoding Daesh: Why is the new name for ISIS so hard to understand?
Ah, legal verbage to create confusion and save face when Obama speaks of his success. 'Oh, no, not that AQ, the other AQ'.... " I never said ISIS has been subdued, I said ISIL was subdued'


"no connection to ISIS...whisper, whisper, shhh, there was a connection to ISIL, but don't say that'


Bottom line no connection to islam fundamentalists/radical islamic terrorists...bombs all over NJ connected to the one that went off in NYC and duh, 'we may never know the motive'....diblasio fears saying acts of terror as it might offend the mosque goers and be a recruiting tool for ISIS or its derivations.
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:25 AM
 
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I tried posting what I prefer to call them but all that came up on the screen was a bunch of *****.
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Old 09-19-2016, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Did you ever count all the bloodshed in the world in the name of JC?
I suggest you stick to your specialty, Islam, or the fantasy version of it you have concocted in your head.
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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What does New Testament have anything to do with this? It's written by Paul and other Christian students, right?
Anyway, there's debate even among Muslims on who wrote Quran.
They can't even agree who compiled it. Shia's claim Imam Ali did it. Sunnis can't decide whether it was the first Caliph or the third Caliph, decades after Muhammad's death. With Facebook and Twitter and youtube we argue over who said what last week. I can only imagine the fraud that went into compiling the Koran.
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