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Unlike most Americans here who haven't got a clue, you are on the money Spartacus..... We English are starting to drift into **** 'em mode. When we get into **** 'em mode, we start not to care about the damage we are going to do to ourselves. We start getting interested in the damage we can dish out.
If the EU want our money,and it's all about money in the end, the backstop has got to go. We're not going to sign on for it, and we don't care how much damage is caused by that fact.
I don't think the EU bureaucrats understand us. We are pissed off, and sick of them. We are sick to death of their crap, and are ready to bring the house down. Any British politician who blinks now, won't be forgotten when this is all over. We want out of the EU, and that's that......... end of story. We have had enough of their crap.
That's the British down to a T.
If the EU do refuse the sensible option of trying to have fictionless trade and they to impose barriers and tariffs we will just hit back, no matter what the damage.
We will also start importing more and more goods from outside of Europe, making new trade deals with other countries and Europe will become ever less important to us, as will our relationship with Europe and indeed any pacts we have with Europe.
If the EU wants to keep Britain on board and have cordial relations with us then it's going about it the wrong way, as it's merely going to acheive the total opposite and at the same time give more ammunition to other populist groups in Europe.
I don't see any real politicians wanting a no-deal, it's mainly unelected bureaucrats such as Juncker, Tusk and Barnier who are forcing the no-deal scenario.
In terms of elected leaders the two main ones Macron and Merkel are both on the way out anyway. Merkel is officialy stepping down and Macron will be lucky to make it to another election never mind win one.
If the EU do refuse the sensible option of trying to have fictionless trade and they to impose barriers and tariffs we will just hit back, no matter what the damage.
We will also start importing more and more goods from outside of Europe, making new trade deals with other countries and Europe will become ever less important to us, as will our relationship with Europe and indeed any pacts we have with Europe.
If the EU wants to keep Britain on board and have cordial relations with us then it's going about it the wrong way, as it's merely going to acheive the total opposite and at the same time give more ammunition to other populist groups in Europe.
I don't see any real politicians wanting a no-deal, it's mainly unelected bureaucrats such as Juncker, Tusk and Barnier who are forcing the no-deal scenario.
In terms of elected leaders the two main ones Macron and Merkel are both on the way out anyway. Merkel is officialy stepping down and Macron will be lucky to make it to another election never mind win one.
Macron may be lucky to escape the guillotine the way things are going in France.
It's time for a second referendum. Brexit campaigners provided no details on what would happen if the UK left the European Union and even promised it would provide more money for the (socialist) National Health Service and the railways. Plus Brexit voters are dying every day and pro-EU youngsters are reaching voting age. It's not fair to destroy the future of British youth for a pyrrhic victory for the elderly. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8541576.html
It's time for a second referendum. Brexit campaigners provided no details on what would happen if the UK left the European Union and even promised it would provide more money for the (socialist) National Health Service and the railways. Plus Brexit voters are dying every day and pro-EU youngsters are reaching voting age. It's not fair to destroy the future of British youth for a pyrrhic victory for the elderly. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8541576.html
Sensible as this is, Brexiters are fighting it tooth and toenail, threatening social unrest and so forth.
It's time for a second referendum. Brexit campaigners provided no details on what would happen if the UK left the European Union and even promised it would provide more money for the (socialist) National Health Service and the railways. Plus Brexit voters are dying every day and pro-EU youngsters are reaching voting age. It's not fair to destroy the future of British youth for a pyrrhic victory for the elderly. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8541576.html
What do you mean BREXIT campaigners never explained? The UK Gov. published and distributed a booklet outlining what the options were.
Take a look, yet the majority voted to leave. Do you think Brits cannot read?
The poll presumes that all remainers vote remain, and have not switched to leave. That's a tall order to sell. Of all the people I know whose position has changed its entirely one way, from remain to leave, mostly because those people cannot stand the idea of getting back in bed with the Eurocrats.
Finally of course it really is undemocratic, you don't vote, waffle, then vote again just to check. That's a bunch of BS right there.
It's time for a second referendum. Brexit campaigners provided no details on what would happen if the UK left the European Union and even promised it would provide more money for the (socialist) National Health Service and the railways. Plus Brexit voters are dying every day and pro-EU youngsters are reaching voting age. It's not fair to destroy the future of British youth for a pyrrhic victory for the elderly. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8541576.html
Many of those who voted to leave the E. U., realized soon after, that they had been hoodwinked. A new referendum vote by the people, is the only way to settle the issue. I doubt very much it would pass a second time and the whole, misguided thing would be ended. But how much money would have been wasted?
There's also the issue that leaving the E. U. would likely fragment the country, as the majorities in Scotland and No. Ireland want to stay in the E. U. They would probably choose to leave the U. K. and Wales might go with them.
If the EU do refuse the sensible option of trying to have fictionless trade and they to impose barriers and tariffs we will just hit back, no matter what the damage.
We will also start importing more and more goods from outside of Europe, making new trade deals with other countries and Europe will become ever less important to us, as will our relationship with Europe and indeed any pacts we have with Europe.
If the EU wants to keep Britain on board and have cordial relations with us then it's going about it the wrong way, as it's merely going to acheive the total opposite and at the same time give more ammunition to other populist groups in Europe.
I don't see any real politicians wanting a no-deal, it's mainly unelected bureaucrats such as Juncker, Tusk and Barnier who are forcing the no-deal scenario.
In terms of elected leaders the two main ones Macron and Merkel are both on the way out anyway. Merkel is officialy stepping down and Macron will be lucky to make it to another election never mind win one.
What do you and EnglishDave think about this analysis?
They seem to be reiterating much of what's posted above and are fairly often very accurate.
Many of those who voted to leave the E. U., realized soon after, that they had been hoodwinked. A new referendum vote by the people, is the only way to settle the issue. I doubt very much it would pass a second time and the whole, misguided thing would be ended. But how much money would have been wasted?
There's also the issue that leaving the E. U. would likely fragment the country, as the majorities in Scotland and No. Ireland want to stay in the E. U. They would probably choose to leave the U. K. and Wales might go with them.
Did you not read the PDF booklet?
Once in a generation referendum...?
How can anyone believe people were hoodwinked when the booklet is so freaking negative on leave?
Many of those who voted to leave the E. U., realized soon after, that they had been hoodwinked. A new referendum vote by the people, is the only way to settle the issue. I doubt very much it would pass a second time and the whole, misguided thing would be ended. But how much money would have been wasted?
There's also the issue that leaving the E. U. would likely fragment the country, as the majorities in Scotland and No. Ireland want to stay in the E. U. They would probably choose to leave the U. K. and Wales might go with them.
Every household received a booklet, claiming that this was a once in a lifetime vote.
Politicians promised again and again whatever the outcome it would be respected and that the British people had spoken.
Both sides put their argument to the British people every night on the television, there were countless political broadcasts.
The British people voted to leave and the PM resigned on that basis.
Theresa May was later reelected on a leave mandate.
So the British people have actually voted twice.
If there is a third vote, then both sides wil have to be given time to campaign again and the leave side can point to the disgusting way Juncker, Tusk, Barnier and Verhofstadt have behaved.
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We English are starting to drift into **** 'em mode. When we get into **** 'em mode, we start not to care about the damage we are going to do to ourselves. We start getting interested in the damage we can dish out.
