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I don't disagree really, but I meant everyone non-Indian claiming they stand with Indians not just European descent, and you make it sound like despite shrinking Indian's territory Americans didn't and don't have respect or any admiration for American Indians. And you want to know a big reason why they do have respect? It's because we don't always hear them complaining and blaming and they wanted to be independent.
Many places and other entities were officially given Indian names in the US out of sentimentality and respect. An Indian team name or mascot is done out of admiration and respect contrary to what liberals claim.
The mascot issue is totally different. I am very far from being a liberal in the context of American politics. Indeed, even with team names like the Washington Redskins, it's a fake issue promoted by cultural Marxists. I can't imagine being offended by that if I were Native American. And it seems most aren't:
Native American is an ethnic term. It's synonymous with American Indian, Indigenous, and a few other possibilities. In Canada, First Nation is sometimes used. Regardless, Native American does not, in the context I was using it, mean native to America. It's a reference to the people that had been a cultural majority in what in entire Western Hemisphere for several thousand years prior to European colonization. You are a native American, in the sense that you were born in America. That is entirely distinct from being a Native American as a cultural identifier. I also sincerely doubt this is actually news to you; you just thought you were being clever.
No, I wasn't being clever. Far too many think that the Indians were native to the Americas besides being an ethnic/cultural thing.
There will never be a mass exodus of European descendants from the Americans. The past cannot be undone. Most Native peoples have suffered irreparable harm. It is best not to have this kind of "all or nothing" mentality, however, since there are ways to foster greater respect for the dignity Native Americans.
The descendants of the indian tribes that settled within our borders are all full fledged U.S. citizens with all the rights of other citizens while still retaining some of their tribal lands. I don't call them Native Americans because they weren't native to the Americas they migrated here just as the Europeans did when there were no immigration laws, established governments or land ownership. Being here first (if they were) does not make them native.
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Stupidity is "standing with the Native Americans by standing against Columbus Day" but then ignoring the significant problems they face the other 364 days of the year - the lowest life expectancy of any racial group, a fertility rate barely above 1, substance abuse. But I also don't view removing Columbus Day as an attack on White history, he wasn't even the first White man to discover the New World, Leaf Erickson's Vikings were. He also wasn't the first White man to establish a settlement on mainland North America.
No, I wasn't being clever. Far too many think that the Indians were native to the Americas besides being an ethnic/cultural thing.
What do you mean "besides being an ethic" thing? What else is there? No humans evolved in Europe, Australia, East Asia, South Africa, or the Western Hemisphere. Humans evolved in North Africa. Does this mean that this is the only place humans have valid claims over? No. Cultural history is what's important. By this line of logic, Native Americans are effectively native to the Americas. They've been here longer than Europeans have, even if we start counting the days of when the first Europeans arrived here, which predates Columbus by several centuries.
At this point, Europeans have valid claims to stay. I can't do anything other than laugh at the absurdity of people saying "well, if you support them so much why don't you back to Europe?" What a ****ing dumb **** thing to say (and no, I am definitely not accusing you of saying or thinking this). I am of English and German decent; I have no valid claim to live there. None. I do not share their culture. I am an American. This means of course I am a native America, but this is distinct from a Native American, who are equally American in their own right. The cultural diversity of America and indeed the whole Western hemisphere (and Australia) is deeply complex. Other places have it too, but it's much more complicated here. French culture is far easier to define than American culture, which even among European decedents is pretty damn far from universal.
Columbus never stepped foot on the mainland continent of North America. He discovered Haiti, if I remember. Somewhere in the islands, but NOT the continent of North America proper.
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