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Old 11-07-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
Anyone in line for that kind of position doesn't "need the job".
They're taking up space in the chain of command and someone is the odd man out.
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Old 11-07-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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Perhaps his professional opinion is that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant a prosecution?


Again, HE doesn't charge folks, he leads the investigation and makes recommendations to AG/DOJ regarding such.
"Perhaps his professional opinion is that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant a prosecution?"

WRONG, he laid out the specifics of the laws she broke.

THEN he INSERTED, No INTENT" which is NOT in the law.

In FACT, the laws PERTAINING TO THE HANDLING OF Classified material says "Knowingly OR NOT".

He ALSO made the claim that NO persecutor would file charges against her and MANY former federal prosecutors have come forward and refuted his claim. (I'd bet he didn't ask a single one.)

Many of the FBI agents who worked on the case have come out and said they are VERY upset that he did NOT recommend charges being fled against her.

The FACT that she had even ONE classified email on her private server is AGAINST the law.

The FACT that she SENT even ONE classifies email from her private server, is AGAINST the law.

I can provide MORE if necessary.

There is PLENTY to read here, 122 pages of very DETAILED information on the handling of classified Material.

"http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/520001_vol3.pdf
11. USE OF SECURE COMMUNICATIONS
. In accordance with the requirements of
Enclosure 4, c
lassified information shall be transmitted only over secure communications circuits
approved for transmission of information at the specified level of classification. This includes communication by telephone, facsimile, e-mail and other forms of electronic communications
(e.g., messages, websites). See Volume 2 of this Manual for guidance on required markings."

Read this part and tell us if you think Hillaary's server was in ANYTHING required here.

"
DoDM 5200.01-
V3
, February 24, 2012
APPENDIX TO ENCLOSURE 3
Change
2
,
03/19/2013
45
APPENDIX TO
ENCLOSURE 3
PHYSICAL SECURITY STANDARDS
1. VAULT AND SECURE ROOM CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS
a. Vaults
. Vaults shall be constructed to meet
Reference (
al) as follows:
(1) Class A (
concrete poured-
in-place).
(2) Class B (GSA
-approved modular vault meeting Reference (
ao) specifications)
.
(3) Class C (steel
-lined vault) is NOT authorized for protection of classified information.


"Handling Classified
Information As an approved custodian or user of classified information, you are personally responsible for the protection and control of this information. You must safeguard this information at all times to prevent loss or compromise and unauthorized disclosure, dissemination, or duplication. Unauthorized disclosure of classified material is punishable under the Federal Criminal Statutes or organizational policies."

"Classified information that is not safeguarded in an approved security container shall be constantly under the control of a person having the proper security clearance and need-to-know. An end-of-day security check should ensure that all classified material is properly secured before closing for the night.


Classified material shall not be taken home, and you must not work on classified material at home."

"
Email and the Internet create many opportunities for inadvertent disclosure of classified information. Before sending an email, posting to a bulletin board, publishing anything on the Internet, or adding to an existing Web page, you must be absolutely certain none of the information is classified or sensitive unclassified information. Be familiar with your organization's policy for use of the Internet. Many organizations require prior review of ANY information put on the Internet"

"
Foreign government material shall be stored and access controlled generally in the same manner as U.S. classified material of an equivalent classification""

"
Top Secret information is subject to continuing accountability. Top Secret control officials are designated to receive, transmit, and maintain access and accountability records for Top Secret information. When information is transmitted from one Top Secret control official to another, the receipt is recorded and a receipt is returned to the sending official. Each item of Top Secret material is numbered in series, and each copy is also numbered."

http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/osg/s1class/handling.htm
,

.
"Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793


Read this FIRST, then ask yourself the questions, DID SHE HAVE CLASSIFIED EMAILS ON HER PRIVATE SERVER?

DID SHE SEND CLASSIFIED INFORMATION FROM HER PRIVATE SERVER?

https://asweetdoseofreality.com/2016...lary-off-hook/
Quote:
Gowdy: Good morning, Director Comey. Secretary Clinton said she never sent or received any classified information over her private e-mail, was that true?
Comey: Our investigation found that there was classified information sent.
Gowdy: It was not true?
Comey: That’s what I said.
Gowdy: OK. Well, I’m looking for a shorter answer so you and I are not here quite as long. Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her e-mails sent or received. Was that true?
Comey: That’s not true
. There were a small number of portion markings on I think three of the documents.
Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said “I did not e-mail any classified information to anyone on my e-mail there was no classified material.” That is true?
Comey: There was classified information emailed.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton used one device, was that true?
Comey: She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as Secretary of State.
Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said all work related emails were returned to the State Department. Was that true?
Comey: No. We found work related email, thousands, that were not returned.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said neither she or anyone else deleted work related emails from her personal account.
Comey: That’s a harder one to answer. We found traces of work related emails in — on devices or in space. Whether they were deleted or when a server was changed out something happened to them, there’s no doubt that the work related emails that were removed electronically from the email system
.
Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails and were overly inclusive. Did her lawyers read the email content individually?
Comey: No.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014. We found those additional e-mails in a variety of ways. Some had been deleted over the years and we found traces of them on devices that supported or were connected to the private e-mail domain. Others we found by reviewing the archived government e-mail accounts of people who had been government employees at the same time as Secretary Clinton, including high-ranking officials at other agencies, people with whom a Secretary of State might naturally correspond.


This helped us recover work-related e-mails that were not among the 30,000 produced to State. Still others we recovered from the laborious review of the millions of e-mail fragments dumped into the slack space of the server decommissioned in 2013.

With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been “up-classified.”


https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system
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FBI investigators have also read all of the approximately 30,000 e-mails provided by Secretary Clinton to the State Department in December 2014. Where an e-mail was assessed as possibly containing classified information, the FBI referred the e-mail to any U.S. government agency that was a likely “owner” of information in the e-mail, so that agency could make a determination as to whether the e-mail contained classified information at the time it was sent or received, or whether there was reason to classify the e-mail now, even if its content was not classified at the time it was sent (that is the process sometimes referred to as “up-classifying”).


From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.


----------------


For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).


None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.


Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

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Old 11-07-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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She's didn't even get a slap on the wrist, no fine or anything .
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They're taking up space in the chain of command and someone is the odd man out.
How sad!

Earning one's position in a company isn't like waiting for the teeter totter on the playground. Not everyone gets a turn.

Not everyone gets a trophy. Misspelled words aren't ignored to spare someones feelings. Letter grades aren't done away with so people can still feel great about themselves even when they're failing. Special snowflakes aren't going very far up the ladder even if it makes them feel bad.

Bright people who think they're ready for that position have the option of looking elsewhere for it. Those who think they're not ready, don't worry about such things.

Only immature whiners moan about being cheated because someone didn't get out of their way quickly enough to suit them. And those people will never make it far up in the chain of command to ever be considered anyway.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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All requirements of the law were met. This is a fact that even Comey confirmed in the hearings.





Are you playing dumb here or you just ignorant on the issue?


I'm simply not pretending to know more about the details of the investigation, and what constitutes a prosecutable federal case than the Director of the FBI.


Perhaps you should try it, sometime.


Unless you're a Federal Prosecutor and I'm simply not aware of it?
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Since we don't know what his wife does for a living and we don't know what his inheritance situation has been....I'll take uninformed axe-grinding for $1000 Alex.

Jesus guys, election year syndrome is rotting your brains out.
+1

Lots of paranoid cranks prone to conspiracy theories. Much easier to do than actually think and look for nuance/truth.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Come back hooligan, don't run away like a bot poster!!!!

Surely you have another "excuse" to explain all this?

Gotta go check your talking point sites? Ok, we will wait!
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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I'm pretending not to know more about the details of the investigation, and what constitutes a prosecutable federal case than the Director of the FBI.


Perhaps you should try it, sometime.


Unless you're a Federal Prosecutor and I'm simply not aware of it?
I am not pretending, you see... I can read... you know... the law I quoted to you?


It isn't hard, the power of literacy is very strong, it allows us to understand things!!

So tell me, what does the law say?


You are smart enough to read right?
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Didn't know you could accumulate that kind of wealth being an FBI Director.

Typical bought and paid for scumbags. All of these people in charge


Just go to Comey's Wikipedia page, for crying out loud. Surely you're not too lazy to even do that small amount of work?
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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+1

Lots of paranoid cranks prone to conspiracy theories. Much easier to do than actually think and look for nuance/truth.
So, what does the thinking person say about Hillary's crime concerning the espionage act. I mean, since we all have our thinking caps on and such... you know... cause we are smart and "thinkers" and the like? Hmm?
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