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Bernie "failed" because the DNC stacked the deck against him.
If they didn't outright rig things, the messaging was loud and clear. It's Hillarys turn, Bernie get out of the way.
They did outright rig things. We pretty clearly know that now. Which makesthe current embrac of Bernie and his ideas all the more interesting. Bernie's revenge.
Bernie would have steamrolled Trump. He would have won the entire Upper Midwest and PA. Funny how this is where Bernie had his strongest showing not the agrarian South.
Bernie's message was entirely economic, while Trump claims to be about the economy, vast majority of his rhetoric was based on cultural, not economic, populism. Cultural populism does NOTHING. It's all platitudes. It's an excuse to vote for you while you continue to get gutted behind the scenes. If Trump succeeds in nominating all these people, few is going to change. We're going to have a casino economy again like under Bush II.
So who will be standard bearer of Bernie's socialist heavy platform for the Dems in 2020? I don't see anyone in the ranks of the Demovrats that is young enough to do it and who appears to have anything close to the right stuff. Do you?
So who will be standard bearer of Bernie's socialist heavy platform for the Dems in 2020? I don't see anyone in the ranks of the Demovrats that is young enough to do it and who appears to have anything close to the right stuff. Do you?
I don't. Which is why there needs to be one. That's the sad part.
So who will be standard bearer of Bernie's socialist heavy platform for the Dems in 2020? I don't see anyone in the ranks of the Demovrats that is young enough to do it and who appears to have anything close to the right stuff. Do you?
LOL, the OP is completely ignorant. Bernie Sanders would be a member of the Conservatives in the UK judging by his political platform. But as long as people can just throw out labels like "moderate", "socialist", "centrist" without taking any look at the issues, it all becomes just meaningless.
Who supported Hillary? Old loyal democrats and black people. Are these people Wall Street democrats (the "moderates") who would embrace Trump and the GOP agenda of the elimination of Medicaid, Medicare, SS, EPA, Consumer financial protection bureau etc?
I think you are correct about labels, it is gross generalization. But you are actually pointing out the issue at hand because there is numerous labels that can be applied to Democrats that seem to want to go into directions. There was a post from one those liberal elitists types recently suggesting the Democrats stop catering to the poor.
It seems to me it's a very fractured party and I don;t see how you are going to get all these different labels to coalesce around a single platform that can satisfy both the middle ground and the more left leaning elements. Meanwhile the Republicans are moving towards a more centrist view and they can do this because the religious right is a dwindling group that is slowly being isolated.
I think you are correct about labels, it is gross generalization. But you are actually pointing out the issue at hand because there is numerous labels that can be applied to Democrats that seem to want to go into directions. There was a post from one those liberal elitists types recently suggesting the Democrats stop catering to the poor.
It seems to me it's a very fractured party and I don;t see how you are going to get all these different labels to coalesce around a single platform that can satisfy both the middle ground and the more left leaning elements. Meanwhile the Republicans are moving towards a more centrist view and they can do this because the religious right is a dwindling group that is slowly being isolated.
I disagree that handing over SS to Wall Street, eliminate Medicare and replace it with a voucher system, eliminate the minimum wage, get rid of all restrictions on legalized bribery in politics, trillions worth of tax cuts for the donor class and privatizing public education is a mainstream agenda supported by the American people.
I would say polls overwhelmingly support mainstream New Deal democrats on the issues. Higher minimum wage, banning for-profit prisons, getting rid of big money in politics, a national health care system, paid family and medical leave and paid vacations by law and expanding social security by lifting the cap on income subject to SS tax are popular ideas among the American people.
Be honest, tell us how many black people would vote Trump over Sanders because they hate the political platform of higher minimum wage, banning for-profit prisons, getting big money out of politics, a national health care system and two weeks paid vacation to all workers by law. Instead of the Trump agenda of gutting the social safety net to fund tax breaks for the donor class and eliminating all restrictions on legalized bribery in politics by nominating Scalia clones to the Supreme Court. By honest, how many black people would jump at the chance of supporting the Trump agenda over a mainstream New Deal democrat?
"Be honest"
You post this bunch of garbage and you want ME to be honest.
You FIRST!
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It appears she has views similar to Conservatives on immigration ,gun laws, Assad, etc.
How does that jive with progressive element she is trying to identify with?
Its perfectly fine. The GOP believe it is important to keep Assad in power to prevent ISIS taking over? Thats a welcome change if what you say is true. The GOP have for years been pushing war against Syria.
Its not that all progressives must believe in exactly the same things. She should be able to appeal to lots of people as a leader for progressive change in America. Being a war veteran, she also has credibility on war and peace and she was threatened by the DNC if she endorsed Sanders, and she did it anyway.
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not the agrarian South.
