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Old 12-02-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Yes it would. Paying a welfare recipient with tax dollars to do make work is exactly the same as paying any govt. employee.
Who said anything about make work? And who said anything about paying them. The work would be required in exchange for receiving the public assistance benefits they get now for free. njquestions gave some very good suggestions. No free rides except for the truly incapacitated. Just throwing ever-increasing amounts of money at the poor hasn't worked to solve the poverty problem, and never will.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes, they are.
No, they are not.
Who Benefits From Food Stamps? - The Atlantic

See the above.

The biggest problems are people bearing children they have insufficient means to support, and adults who have failed to be responsible enough to be self-sufficient.

Can't afford to support and raise a child? Don't have one. Contraceptives are inexpensive and readily available. Many Public Health Departments and their outreach satellite clinics even distribute them for free.Many public schools and public universities distribute them for free.
Perhaps, based on your logic the better solution would be automatic sterilization, once a person dropped below a certain income threshold? Germany had a similar program, although it used race and religion based criteria. Since the new administration is denying that there is even the slightest hint of racial undertones in it's ideology or personnel, using income as a baseline for sterilization would be a more acceptable method. Perhaps we could look into it.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Poverty is inheritable as in... once you are born into it there are obstacles that you must overcome to climb the ladder out. Obstacles that people born into a family of more means doesn't have to climb. Much of these obstacles are lack of role models from which to learn from.

It is easy to say "Stay in school", "work towards college", "don't get pregnant", etc... when there is a complete lack of being exposed to people that are examples to follow. It is easy to dismiss this if you've never been there. What people don't realize is that all the bad decisions that keep people poor become your "normality".

* College seems unattainable and not even something to strive for if no one in your circle went to college. Believe it or not, many in my class believed the easiest way to college was to be an athlete. Otherwise, it is unattainable.
* Finishing high school seems like a waste of time when the school itself sucks and those dropping out early to work seem to be doing better than those staying in class. No one to show you the long/short term impacts of your decisions. You can only see short term benefits.
* No one taught me the impacts of eating the crap that I ate.... I simply saw the short term benefits of buying food CHEAP.
* Kids getting pregnant because they have no access to information and birth control (yet we want to defund planned parenthood?). Churches still teach abstinance.... Many don't even know that free condoms are available in certain areas (including NYC).
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etc...

The only difference between me and my friends is that my parents weren't always poor.... they were educated but started over once they immigrated here (through circumstances much out of their control). If you weren't born poor you can see the possibilities. Your views are a lot more optimistic AND you have motivation to achieve rather than feel beat down.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Why is Trump overweight?

At least Trump can pay his own medical bills. Unlike the poor fat people in this country.

BTW....this kid gets it!
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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Not speaking to the OP. Speaking about choice as a lib mantra and being okay with letting a woman decide it's okay to murder a baby because it's her body but not okay for her to buy a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew for that same body.
Which lib says it's not okay for a woman to buy a 2-liter bottle of Mountain Dew?
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Perhaps, based on your logic the better solution would be automatic sterilization, once a person dropped below a certain income threshold? Germany had a similar program, although it used race or religion based criteria. since the new administration is denying that there is even the slightest hint of racial undertones in it's ideology or personnel, using income would be a more acceptable method. Perhaps we could look into it.
Best idea I've heard yet.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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I don't think it's recipient that's worried about being overweight.
Its the bregrudgers on this thread.
You know the I.Hate.The.Poor types.
How about the I.Don't.Think.We.Should.Purposely.Enable.Obesity.And.Thereby.Ruin.Others'.Health types?
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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Who said anything about make work? And who said anything about paying them. The work would be required in exchange for receiving the public assistance benefits they get now for free. njquestions gave some very good suggestions. No free rides except for the truly incapacitated. Just throwing ever-increasing amounts of money at the poor hasn't worked to solve the poverty problem, and never will.
Yes. They should be picking up trash highways and streets for the public who pays for their food stamps.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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Yes. They should be picking up trash highways and streets for the public who pays for their food stamps.
I tossed this out in a debate once...

Make unemployment illegal. If you loose your job and within a certain time period start collecting unemployment, you are now a government employee. If you skills (lack there of) makes your time best used for cleaning up trash on streets and highways, you should be required to do so to continue to earn a "paycheck" from government. You are a government employee until you find yourself another job.

i don't believe anyone should be able to collect government benefits while sitting at home idle.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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Perhaps, based on your logic the better solution would be automatic sterilization, once a person dropped below a certain income threshold?
These are actually very serious societal problems, and will only compound exponentially as time goes on.

I've already posted these known facts:
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It's a known fact that nearly half of all babies born in the U.S. each year are born into poverty. Their births are paid for by Medicaid. It's also a known fact that 70% of those born into poverty never rise above poverty level.

Medicaid reports (as of June 29, 2015) that 48% of all U.S. births are paid for by Medicaid, the welfare health care program for those in poverty.
https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid-50...men/women.html

70% of them NEVER rise above poverty level.
Only 30% of those born poor ever make it out of poverty
How do YOU suggest the problem and the obviously unsustainable result be addressed?
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