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Old 12-09-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Serious Conversation View Post
Heard this tonight in an online game.

Amazing how stupid liberals are. I've always noticed the coastal states require safe spaces, tons of regulation, and supervision, but much of the interior of the country is far more live and let live, and do your own thing.
Right, those free interior areas, like where abortion and weed is still illegal?
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Not true,otherwise they would stay out of gay marriage and women's wombs.

In the most populace state, the state noted for being the most liberal, residents voted against gay marriage. Not a single one of them was from a flyover state.

Liberal snowflakes are all about the popular vote except when they lose.

"Prop 8, officially titled Proposition 8 - Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry, was a statewide ballot proposition in California. On November 4, 2008, voters approved the measure and made same-sex marriage illegal in California."
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Old 12-09-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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Farming is one of the most heavily regulated/subsidized industries in the country and would completely collapse without constant government intervention.
No it wouldn't, at the end of the day it's the consumer that is subsidized. If you want to eat you will pay for it. Whether the farmer can be self sufficient or not is irrelevant, they are forced to participate to remain competitive.
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Old 12-09-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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"Republicans in flyover states make me laugh."

I bet you weren't laughing when they defeated Hillary Clinton.

The laugh was it took a NYC Liberal to do it.
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Old 12-09-2016, 06:48 PM
 
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The laugh was it took a NYC Liberal to do it.
LOL.
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Old 12-09-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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Let's see how cocky the conservatives are when their own party wants to take their Medicare and cut their social security. But we always have extra money for a war or for the top 1%.
Or corporate welfare... go figure.....
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Old 12-09-2016, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Should terrorists or a nation-state take down our grid on a long term basis, the flyover States will have a far higher survival rate than will the East and West coast States. They are far better able to survive without govt. assistance. Where do you think most of your food comes from?
Not necessarily. All that corn and soy you see growing in the Midwestern states has to be harvested and processed before you can eat it. The people who would be best off would be those who can grow and preserve (without electricity) their own food, wherever they happen to live. One of the biggest challenges would be getting safe drinking water.

A person who owned a bit of land, with access to firewood, a well, a garden, and preferably some knowledge of hunting and fishing, would probably be fine. If the grid goes, survival won't be about geographic location, it will be about access to a few basic resources, and perhaps more important, about the skills needed to be self-sufficient.
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Old 12-09-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Not true,otherwise they would stay out of gay marriage and women's wombs.
THat would be the "let live" part of "live and let live".
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Old 12-09-2016, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Let's see how cocky the conservatives are when their own party wants to take their Medicare and cut their social security. But we always have extra money for a war or for the top 1%.
Or corporate welfare... go figure.....
The scenario you paint isn't that simple, and everyone beyond the "fresh off the boat" stage knows that. The problem is the millions of Special Snowflakes with their worthless degrees ("participation trophies" for supposed "adults") who've been led to expect $20/hr, and to go on SSI disability when the plan fails to materialize.

That is what the millions of people of ordinary means in the "flyover America" you spit upon understand -- and turned out to defend on November 8.

And the world has required a global policeman since the end of feudalism; that role was abdicated by Great Britain in favor of her American and Canadian legatees after World War II. The Nazis and Marxists have been consigned to history's trashcan, and ISIS is next in line. It's the productivity of the handful of mature, tested pluralistic societies that makes it possible to project defensive strength, usually in American hands, that allows Europe to enjoy relative security (though their desire for cheap Middle Eastern labor is undercutting that).

The system is far removed from the anarcho-capitalist idyll of small tradesmen in small villages that the dreamers envision; but judging from the 100 million early graves dug in Europe in the first half of the Twentieth Century -- it's better than anything that came before.

If you can propose anything that doesn't lead to the over-centralization of state power that produced both Hitler and Stalin, I'll be waiting for your answer; and I expect to be waiting for a long time.
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Old 12-09-2016, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Then people should move to the heart of fly over country, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and see how people at the bottom of the totem pole are doing with live and let live, and do your own thing at the minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.
Not everyone there is making 7.25 but 7.25 goes a lot further there then even $15 would in manhattan or LA or San Francisco .
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