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I'm sure a few of you have read some of my posts by now, but this thread will be a new topic. I cover a wide variety of topics, but like to focus most politically. It's somewhat related to the controversial atmosphere in some of the other threads. I've noticed throughout several boards that I participated in that there was a concern for the effects of illegal immigration which is highly intertwined into this subject too.
The problem I want to debate is one in which most people don't do often enough - poverty. Most people are focused on the economic problems of the middle class (like sub prime mortgages), illegal immigration and health care. All of that has something to do with poverty too though. And especially within poverty, I want to discuss and try to form ideas how to fix the alarming number of African-American poverty.
Obviously, poverty is well associated with African-Americans in this country - although not blackness. No matter what any of us think, the way you look doesn't decide what kind of money you make. Plenty of black immigrants (from Africa and the West Indies) have come to this country have immediately or through time acquire middle-class and upper-middle class stature. Public speaker Dinesh D'souza goes well into detail about this. Just look at Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama who's father was from Kenya. Obviously, the problem doesn't really exist in most of the south either or residential suburbs either.
People often claim inner-city African-Americans have the same opportunities in this country? Thinking of it simply they do, but do they really? Since the Civil Rights Act was passed by Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965, they've only gotten worse - even though their rights liberated. It's ironic that such a plan created by Kennedy and Johnson has backfired so much. Does the government take any initiative to fix these problems though?
I know all don't feel this way - but I believe a big problem is legal immigration equally to illegal immigration. Not legal immigration in the sense of people who work in the medical field, but more in the blue-collared sector. Obviously, employers base on stereotype - and that's that immigrants work harder and don't whine. And American citizens (and especially African-Americans) are tagged as being ''lazy.'' One idea I have wouldn't be to stop immigration, but to minimize it.
Demanding higher education levels out of our immigrants so that investing our money in immigrants (particularly Mexican and Latin Americans) doesn't need to be done. A larger population won't do anything to help this either. Obviously, Latin American immigrants primarily only choose the U.S and Canada. And you could ask any Canadian for yourself, they're five times as educated up there as they are here. They also ration population properly so resources like universal health care don't deteriorate.
There are several ways to fix African-American poverty in this country - and I want to here all from people of all backgrounds. I'm not African-American, but I take this issue very personally - because all Americans deserve to have the same economic privileges and opportunities in life.
An extreme idea would be economic socialism, but I'd never propose that - because it contradicts the American dream. However, ideas like socialized medicine would help. However, I believe if more focus was put into Democratizing and assimilating individual African-Americans is more necessary than taking on the baggage of new immigrants. Our economy is sluggish right now and we barely can take care of ourselves. We don't need another Hurricane Katrina to show us this. Obviously, the possibility of Barack Obama shows a sign of progression of equality for civil liberties, but not for economic assimilation.
Several components need to be put in place. Most of us are well-aware that African-Americans have been highly neglected every since the Raegen Administration (i.e. he'd never say the word AIDs in his first term). We're also well-aware that Affirmative Action was a failure and only extended the problem. Social revitalization obviously needs to occur.
I know this sounds horrible - but one of the key ways for African-Americans to acquire streamline middle-class stature into this country is to not be proud of that title. It doesn't mean they should be disgraced either, but they should only see themselves as individual people and American citizens. Most African-Americans who are working-class, middle-class and middle-class already have this. However, some people use societal excusing for why they only make 4 thousand a year - and no one tells them that's wrong.
By doing this, the media and government need to take some hard steps. And although I'm fairly liberal and not fond on Republicans and congressman Tancredo's tone, I do believe that some of his ideas would actually work. He has proposed to only allow 10,000 legal immigrants in this country every year. I'd say we should allow more than that though. He has also taken on a quite liberal view of raising minimum wage - so Americans don't have to believe that there isn't any job we wouldn't do.
He also says we are all of one heritage - the American heritage. Not the Mexican heritage, Italian heritage, Chinese heritage or anything. He says we're all one and should take care of our own (American citizens) before worrying about anything else. And more than anything else, I give him credit for saying something almost no other political candidate would.
That is to delete the terms Black, Hispanic and anything else that would cause isolation and separation of imagery in the United States. That applies to job applications, college applications, government groups, organizations and so forth. He says that would make us believe we are all Americans over increments within. By groups like ''Blackplanet'', ''BET'' and other organizations existence - it gives black people the feeling of social pride in this country. If they are proud of that though, why would that be any less disgusting than being proud to be white? We say it's because that's the way how our culture is? But why can't we revitalize that? African-Americans need to work hard to overcome the collective ideal of ''blackness'' to equalize. Obviously, equalization is much more valuable than segregated ''blackness''.
I know it sounds counter-cultural to impose that thinking is disgusting, but it's true. By instituting that whites don't get a categorization that isn't worth being proud of, it says that they are above everyone. And by saying one is a ''minority'', it instates that they're apart of a lower class. The media is to blame for much of this. If Americans begin to educate themselves into developing a better intellect though, maybe they'll be able to see above being needy for the media to feed their brain.
Black people, like Asians and whites should be proud of their physical beauty. However, we all know in this country that if one is proud to be white - they're considered to be backwards, ignorant and low-class. Why shouldn't it be the same for African-Americans? And one thing I've noticed through observation and friendships throughout my life is that the middle-class African-Americans I've known don't really care much for being black. Just like whites, Asians and anyone ridiculous enough to believe in the 1970 implemented term ''Hispanic.'' An overwhleming percentage is impoverished - and being apart of the collectivist ideal of ''blackness'' is the exact thing that keeps them behind.
People should be able to see above that ''Hispanics'' don't actually exist as a race - which I discussed in detail throughout many threads. The fact that it does exists is why so many government organizations exist that assimilate immigrants at such a quick pace that their children are immediately middle-class citizens. This costs a lot of money. We don't have enough. Especially with Bush's Iraq War - that John McCain would love to continue to accelerate).
The government denoted that ''Hispanic'' isn't a race anymore in the 2000 Census - yet the media wouldn't tell you that because it's politically credibility would decline and be exposed. The media will always tag-team Blacks and ''Hispanics'' (or the term ''minority'' which rarely refers to Asians) together because it makes people take their eyes off of blacks and think that Latin Americans (who are often white) have it bad just because their poor because they voluntarily immigrated from countries with little money. The reasoning for why they're behind is different, but simple. For blacks it's societal classism and for Latin Americans (including blacks within those countries) it's because they're immigrants from poorest parts of their nations.
The most motivating idea I could think about would be to significantly reduce and eliminate welfare to the non-disabled and non-elderly Kind of like an opposite thinking of the Great Society in a way. Remember, I'm fairly liberal and vote completely Democrat saying this. One of the best things we could do is to close down housing projects. By doing this, people won't have the ''safety net'' of believing there will be a place to live if they don't work. We'd be promoting capitalism and self-advancement. I'd hold onto lower-income buildings in inner-cities, but make a mandatory law that 40 hours must be worked between both parents - because they promote progression.
This may be an irrational idea, but I'd even enstate laws that could fine and/or imprison people for making babies out of wedlock (unless it was pre-planned and consulted with some sort of government association - which would rarely happen). The idea of universal health care would also work hand in hand with improving our prenatal care too. I'd also enforce laws that would better enforcing the taking of children away from parents who have parents who are criminals, use drugs and are not working (even though they're physically capable of).
If this requires the government, states and cities stepping in to provide jobs for the community - than so be it. Using the strategy of affirmative action will only socially divide working-class whites with blacks. It will make blacks believe they are treated collectively, rather than equally. Literally plummeting money into the hands of impoverished people wouldn't do any good either. The best idea I could promote to all Americans would be one many European countries like Great Britain uses - Free college for all.
So I'm going to ask a polling question. The polling question will be which idea should be enforced the most (and is rational and can realistically happen) to fully Democratize, assimilate and economically equalize inner-city African-Americans in the United States?
Hey, the Bastard Law is quite an idea. What kind of fine are you thinking about...kind of like traffic tickets?
I didn't necessarily say it was realistic. It's just an idea. I forgot what they call it, but have you ever heard of those laws and provisions in the Scandanavian countries that practically overlook how babies are raised? It's possible that laws like that could be adopted in this country in the future. I think it's called birth to fueneral, or something like that. Besides making life better for that child, it also encourages losers not to have children. An obvious unfortunate obstacle is that the impoverished part of the population supplies much of the fertility rate of this country though.
I'd compare it to the idea of socialism. It's unrealistic, but it'd good - right? Even if we don't go that path, I believe it is realistic for states to take the children away from parents who don't work - who have the physical capabilities too. And if those parents are so big of losers because of their personality or criminal history, the states should do more work in helping to provide them jobs. That's where a lot of the immigration and Iraq money should be going. If they don't, many will continue to not work, sell and/or do drugs - and eventually end up in prison where the states will have to pay overtime to correction officers and harbor and feed those who get caught.
If you toss folks in prison for making babies out of wedlock, how would you like to see the kid's upbringing funded? Dad can't do it from prison.
Good question. It's not that hard though. Take the babies and put them up for adoption. Why should so many people adopt babies from China when we have plenty of unadopted babies in this country and plenty of babies that should be? Even if they weren't adopted, although it's sad to say, but a child would probably be better off living in group home their whole entire lives. The way how you're raised is very associated withthe economic future you'll have.
I hope none of you took that notion that seriously though. I don't expect it to happen, but it would be a good idea. If they were to be put in prison, I'd still say it should be a misdemeanor - so it's possible to raise their children. Kind of like child support. For a first time offense, I wouldn't say you should be in prison anymore than 90 days. Remember though, it's just an idea. If it continually happened, than it could become a felony. More realistically, a system of fines would also be rational.
I'm more so for taking the children away from criminals, drug users, alcoholics and people who don't work. Not so much people who have babies out of wedlock, but if a fear was in state - it would help. The punishment shouldn't be any more severe than a male who neglects to pay their child support. It's undeniable that those who choose to have children out of wedlock often do have children who turn out far less successful than those are adopted and grow up in group homes.
What a revolting racist poll that I will not participate in
How is this racist? Because I'm asking how to correct the poverty of African-American poverty? Are you denying that it exists? If anything, you're the racist for wanting African-Americans to continue to stay in the status quo and decline. How dare you to make such an insinuation. It's that closed-minded thinking that keeps inner-city African-Americans ecomocially behind, don't you think? People think this should be an issue secluded to only the attention of African-Americans, but that'd only promote the ideals of collectivism and ''blackness'' that capitalism contradicts.
Stop being so timid. It's not as if I curse or point out on anyone specific. I've asked a legitimate political question. I speak properly. Especially for someone 19 years old. This thread is in politics and other controversies for a reason. If this is too much for you to handle, than it's probably best off you don't participate in this discussion.
many do not want an even break many want revenge.
i have a dream.
heal all my sick brothers of the poison of hate.
You're right. How to delete that though could take a while, but is possible. Destroying the idea of the social construction of ''blackness'' is the first step. This has happened to ''whiteness.'' Asians usually don't identify by that generalization either. They either judge themselves by their respective nationality and just see themselves as individuals. It's not to say that some low-class people of all races won't pride themselves in things they can't control like ''race'', but it's evident that African-Americans are most centered into that belief. And that's because many haven't aren't assimilated and continue to believe in those old-world traits.
It's to my personal belief that the government doesn't actually want to Democratize blacks. Because if they did, than our middle and upper-middle class wouldn't prosper as much. As I described to others on other boards, one of the most faults in capitalism is that you need a ''dog'' icon that helps stimulate the rest of the population. Inner-city African-Americans serve that role in this country. The government has two groups that are economically behind for two very different reasons, but feel that Latin American immigrants are more worth the battle.
It's largely due to the fact that they know Latin Americans can't be owed or complain for anything from our government, because the United States has never done anything to them. If anything, speaking from an international point of view - many Latin American immigrants arguably actually are often the oppressor because many descend from those who participated in the Spanish inquisition, some of the worse enslavement on the Western Hemisphere and brutal wiping out and raping of indigenous peoples. However, that information always has it's way of being ''concealed'' from the American people.
Many believe in hate, because it's easy and apart of human-nature. I'll be blunt. Many poor people have come to the conclusion that their parents are losers that should have never had children. They should have more fire in their stomach and be more motivated than anyone else. And some are. But most aren't. I believe the best thing we could do is get on the right track, which actually seems to be the opposite thing happening for several reasons (i.e. the effects of illegal immigration on working-class blacks).
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