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Old 12-13-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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And thank you, as well, for admitting that the Democrats (or what little remains of them these days) are a gaggle of sniveling political hacks who use the untrammeled power of government to steal the money of the productive in order to give the proceeds to those who are most likely to vote for them, namely, the non-productive. As you point out, most Dems are in drooling denial of this inalterable reality.
Well, you certainly wouldn't want any of those non-productive retired and disabled people and those who need healthcare, to be stealing any money for their survival. I've read some accounts of our ancient ancestors, including the Neanderthals and there's evidence that even in the harsh world they occupied, that they provided care and support for those of their groups, who had suffered disabling injuries or were advanced in years. Are we going to be devolving into something less than what we were, back then?
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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This is pretty basic political-history:
From Hoover onwards, the GOP drifted left. The conservative wing lost almost every inter-party battle. Finally, they found Ike, who was largely apolitical. He was moderate to liberal, but at least the GOP finally won again! The conservatives were supposedly "dead" and gone.
But National Review, Goldwater and finally a young Reagan led a conservative resurgence ("A Choice, Not an Echo"). It's been a tug of war within the GOP since. In the 1980z, conservatives finally got the upper hand. Moderates took over after again Reagan. In 2016, conservatives seem to have taken over again.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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I guess my point was that there wasn't a party like today's EVER in history. The Republican party today, no matter how much people will deny it, is and would be if there was a census for it, statistically White, Protestant, and Extremely Conservative. There is no moderate in that party, no middle ground. It's far right, far red. Period.
As long as Susan Collins, Lyndsey Graham and the like have as much power in the Senate as they do, your post is silly.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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That.

Both parties have gone to the right over the last 50 years. Today's Democrats are where the Republicans were 50 years ago. Today's Republicans are an alliance of various far-right interest groups: theocrats, libertarians, alt-right people, AGW deniers, anti-immigrant groups, etc.
lol....today's Dems almost nominated a communist. The Blue Dog Dems are all gone. JFK and Scoop Jackson would get nowhere in my old party today....
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Well I identify as a moderate Republican and I am only 29. Most Millennial Republicans tend to be relatively moderate. Give it time and we'll take over the party, banish the crazies, and return the party back to mainstream center-right conservatism focused on low taxes, economic development, and a strong military. Gone will be the obsession with bombing Muslims, bashing Hispanics & Blacks, and banning gay marriage.

My idols are people like Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Mitt Romney (the real Mitt Romney is actually a moderate Republican), Nelson Rockefeller, Thomas Dewey, Jack Kemp, George Pataki, etc.
We will crush you and your gang. Then we will leave the useless party to you....you can rename it the Whigs.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:24 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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The Republicans sold out to the rich why do you think they defend them keeping their money at all costs.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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Well I identify as a moderate Republican and I am only 29. Most Millennial Republicans tend to be relatively moderate. Give it time and we'll take over the party, banish the crazies, and return the party back to mainstream center-right conservatism focused on low taxes, economic development, and a strong military. Gone will be the obsession with bombing Muslims, bashing Hispanics & Blacks, and banning gay marriage.

My idols are people like Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Mitt Romney (the real Mitt Romney is actually a moderate Republican), Nelson Rockefeller, Thomas Dewey, Jack Kemp, George Pataki, etc.
I hope people like you can take back your party from the crazies.

Crazies like this:
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And thank you, as well, for admitting that the Democrats (or what little remains of them these days) are a gaggle of sniveling political hacks who use the untrammeled power of government to steal the money of the productive in order to give the proceeds to those who are most likely to vote for them, namely, the non-productive. As you point out, most Dems are in drooling denial of this inalterable reality.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:07 PM
 
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This is pretty basic political-history:
From Hoover onwards, the GOP drifted left. The conservative wing lost almost every inter-party battle. Finally, they found Ike, who was largely apolitical. He was moderate to liberal, but at least the GOP finally won again! The conservatives were supposedly "dead" and gone.
But National Review, Goldwater and finally a young Reagan led a conservative resurgence ("A Choice, Not an Echo"). It's been a tug of war within the GOP since. In the 1980z, conservatives finally got the upper hand. Moderates took over after again Reagan. In 2016, conservatives seem to have taken over again.
Name calling and not addressing anything that was asked does not make you seem smart it makes you look weak and worst of all it makes you seem extremely incompetent. answer the question without being a smarty-pants or don't bother commenting at all and that comes from me the original poster.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:10 PM
 
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The Republicans sold out to the rich why do you think they defend them keeping their money at all costs.
I agree I just cannot find a Republican who would justify their economical or social beliefs to me, all I want to know is why they feel that their way or what they believe in is right and how it would benefit society. it seems that it ultimately comes down to religious beliefs. Or plain ignorance.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.” Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to “repeal the minimum wage.”


In 1956, the Republican Party promised to “extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable.” Today, the lead Republican in the Senate on labor issues wants to abolish the minimum wage.


In 1956, the Republican Party proudly stated that under Eisenhower “Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million.” Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish Social Security.


In 1956, the Republican Party platform pledged that it would work to “assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex.” Last year, every Republican in the Senate voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act to assure equal pay for equal work.


In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.” Today, the Republican Party wants to end unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.


In 1956, the Republican Party was proud that under Eisenhower, “unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 million.” Today, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said that abolishing the National Labor Relations Board, the federal agency in charge of protecting the rights of workers, would be considered “progress.”


In 1956, the Republican Party said “the protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.” Today, Republican Governors and legislators have undermined collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and other states.


In 1956, the Republican Party pledged to “maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts.” Today, the Republican Party wants to repeal prevailing wage laws and significantly cut the pay of millions of workers.


In 1956, the Republican Party platform stated “Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years.” Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish the U.S. Department of Education.


Where did the GOP extremist shift originate from.


and if you can answer the question without referencing libertarians, liberals, independents or any other political party. That'd be great, thanks.
I want the moderates of both parties back. These extremists on both sides have screwed the American people over and over. They are only interested in their own agenda and power and how they can get reelected. They care absolutely nothing about us. They have no problem shutting down the government when they can't reach a decision. And why would they, it doesn't affect them. It affects the government workers because they don't get paid. It affects all of us. Just please give us back the back rooms deals when republicans and democrats sat down with a cigar and brandy and hashed it out.
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