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Old 10-29-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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The GOP generally opposes anything that benefits the public.

They want to spend our tax dollars blasting more hole sin the middle east sand/camel crap.

That's the FASCIST/ELITIST/AMERICAN HATING WAY!
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Old 10-29-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's the FASCIST/ELITIST/AMERICAN HATING WAY!
elitist... that is the liberal way, liberals still following the ways of hitler.. "the master party"..liberal state are soooo much better.... liberals are soooo much smarter...


fascist.. again leftist liberal way


American hating.. who puts illegals over actual citizens... liberals
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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elitist... that is the liberal way, liberals still following the ways of hitler.. "the master party"..liberal state are soooo much better.... liberals are soooo much smarter...


fascist.. again leftist liberal way


American hating.. who puts illegals over actual citizens... liberals
Why do conservatives have such a difficult time grasping that the nazis are right wing? Its ok to be to the left of hitler workinclasshero I promise I won't judge you.
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not only that, McConnell came right out a couple of weeks ago and openly declared that if the GOP maintained congress, they'd get right to work on dismantling social security and medicare.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/10/...eed-to-be-cut/

He claimed they "are the reason for the unsustainable deficit" created by the GOP's huge tax cuts for billionaires and corporations.

Hey, Mitch...

Both social security and medicare are self-funded by separate taxes and don't add to the deficit unless the GOP congress raids those funds and doesn't replace them.

Just how stupid do you think Americans are?

Come on... Mitch...

Not so stupid as to believing your post.
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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see this is where the liberals lose it..


they post about a Band-Aid on a sunken chest wound... ending the cap on SS will not solve anything..it will make the payouts even higher


by uncapping the payroll tax, you also uncap the payout, by lifting the cap, will cause it to go under sooner


SS payout is based on your contributions


https://www.ssa.gov/oact/quickcalc/index.html

I entered 1966 as a date, with 2028 (62) as retirement... 50k earnings get you 1100, while 127k (current cap) earnings get you 1900

I entered 1966 as a date, with 2033 (67) as retirement... 50k earnings get you 1660, while 127k (current cap) earnings get you 2798

getting rid of the cap(contribution cap) also negates the payout cap(by law all the way from FDR)...will cause SS to go under even faster

they don't realize they CAN'T, the system was set up that the cap is for both ends

they don't realize that currently the guy who makes exactly 127k pays 6+% (plus the employers 6+%) into SS, and the guy who makes 1 million pays exactly the same 6+% of 127K....and at retirement the millionaire AND the 127k guy will get exactly the same (the max payout)................if they take the cap out......the guy who make a million will get a BIGGER payout at retirement, because he would have CONTRIBUTED 6+% of a million, not 127k


I don't understand the idiots who say "take the cap off"....guess what..the payroll deduction cap is CONNECTED to the PAYOUT cap...you take one the other comes with it....removing the cap will increase the payout to a rich guy..making ss even LESS SOLVENT

people supporting raising/eliminating the cap are about giving the benefit to the rich, not the poor






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just raise the age...just like when the re-adjusted it in 1983

In 1983, the last time there was federal action to address Social Security’s financial problems, it included gradually increasing the retirement age from 65 to 67–emphasis on g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y.

The first increase didn’t kick in until 20 years later, in 2003 when the full retirement age jumped from 65 to 65 and two months. It’s been rising slowly since then, and won’t get to 67 until 2027.


do it again raising it 70/75 taking effect for those that would retire in 2055ish


the program WAS DESIGNED to kick in at 62 when the AVERAGE LIFE SPAN was 60

raising the full amount age to 70 or 72 would not be a big deal for the individuals (as we can still get partial at 62) but it would be a huge savings

the average life expectancy for ALL americans (not gender specific) is 79.2, with females crossing the 80 mark and males being at 78.6

the average life expectancy when SS came into effect was less than 60

to KEEP UP with its original intent they should raise the age of FULL qualification to about 80.....again you can start collecting at 62 still



something has to be done...

raise the age to 70-74 (for those just entering the workforce ..ie. people born after 1995-99)..makes the most sense
This is the same method of big business used to eliminate the pension system. Put a wedge between young and old. Lie and claim it's to expensive and it needs to be cut.

Right in line with the GOP statements because their tax cuts have created crazy deficits. It's tax cut has in no way benefitted those below the top 1%. They have to cut the average Americans retirement and healthcare. Only the current GOP is working against the people who vote for them
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why do conservatives have such a difficult time grasping that the nazis are right wing? Its ok to be to the left of hitler workinclasshero I promise I won't judge you.
the Nazi's...were national socialists..left wing.. the workers party...left wing..and used fasacist (socialism lite)(again left wing) to steer their agenda


why can the AMERICAN liberals ADMIT that their granddaddy is progressivism and or marxism which gave the world communism (left) socialism (left but not as far left as communism), fascism (left but not as far left as socialism)




you try to call what was right in Europe , but most definitely is left here in America




its like Merkel of Germany...a European conservative....who is farther to the left than Bernie sanders...she makes the socialist sanders look like a rightwinger....
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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the Nazi's...were national socialists..left wing.. the workers party...left wing..and used fasacist (socialism lite)(again left wing) to steer their agenda


why can the AMERICAN liberals ADMIT that their granddaddy is progressivism and or marxism which gave the world communism (left) socialism (left but not as far left as communism), fascism (left but not as far left as socialism)




you try to call what was right in Europe , but most definitely is left here in America




its like Merkel of Germany...a European conservative....who is farther to the left than Bernie sanders...she makes the socialist sanders look like a rightwinger....
North Korea is called the Democratic Peoples Republic is North Korea a democracy? Thats such a weak argument.
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
the Nazi's...were national socialists..left wing.. the workers party...left wing..and used fasacist (socialism lite)(again left wing) to steer their agenda


Nope. The Nazi's were right wing. Study up a bit.

Political Spectrum
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
the Nazi's...were national socialists..left wing.. the workers party...left wing..and used fasacist (socialism lite)(again left wing) to steer their agenda


Nope. The Nazi's were right wing. Study up a bit.

Political Spectrum
Neo-nazis' heasds would explode if they found out they were left wingers!

lol
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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This is the same method of big business used to eliminate the pension system. Put a wedge between young and old. Lie and claim it's to expensive and it needs to be cut.

Right in line with the GOP statements because their tax cuts have created crazy deficits. It's tax cut has in no way benefitted those below the top 1%. They have to cut the average Americans retirement and healthcare. Only the current GOP is working against the people who vote for them
Pensions became unsustainable in current financial markets. Its hard to guarantee income and minimize risk. Probably need some sort of innovation in the world of financial products, or the more simple answer is to help people be more self sufficient and realize the power of investing over time on their own.
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